a sample of MP iconography

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Barbara
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That IS a beautiful icon. I have never seen that one. Now I see the Bolsheviks in it,
on the side pictures. Good find. Thank you.

I am GLAD to know that St Evgen WAS glorified by Rocor.
I think it's time for the MP to realize that nothing will change Rocor beliefs and attitudes, so
the MP might as well give up and give Rocor its freedom back - !

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MP grabbed ROCOR not planning to change its views. The main ideas was not the church idea, but a political project: to show that "The Reds and the Whites" are together again. And also to seize the property, as they do now.

This is the Old Russian helmet of this form:
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It was metal on Old Russia and soft in Soviet times. And yes, the form was literally seized by the Bolsheviks.

As for St. John of San Francisco, MP teaches not that he was in favour of MP. It is a big surprise for them to find out that he was the only bishop of ROCOR in China ho rejected to go under MP and saved all his people from it with a high risk.

I study English, forgive my mistakes.

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Barbara wrote:

I still remember when one official asked me which jurisdiction I was from in America.
I said, "Rocor". He froze in shock. I still remember the horrified look on his countenance !

Well they still become so, when you tell them "I am in RTOC", it is a good sign about we are going in a right direction :lol:

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Fr Siluan,

Glad to see you are OK and in good health, I hope.
Yes ! Good thought ! I have not been there SINCE the union, so I didn't have that chance to
say "I am in RTOC". I was only there in the middle 1990s. Not after.
It was about the time of the MP takeover of the monastery in Hebron.
Some pasluzhniks at one podvorie got really angry when told I was from Rocor.
They started shouting and looking threatening.
All the MP priests were apparently TOLD to sign a petition AGAINST Rocor and in favor of MP's
actions there. One priest I met said he refused to sign it, but looked cowed and
confided that was huge pressure put upon him to do so.
This is how the MP REALLY thinks about Rocor !

Alexander,

OH ! Now I know what you mean by that style of helmet.
It's the type we see in statues of Prince Yuri Dolgoruky for example.
Very interesting for me to see this connection that you have highlighted.
They changed everything else : why keep the helmet style, even if of fabric
instead of steel ?!

Well, what do you think concerning St John ? When it became known to them that he
bravely stood up against the spring 1946 ukaze of his superior, Abp Victor of Peking, removing him from his see, did the
presentday MP personnel start to demote him on the scale
of Saints ? Is that why they are indifferent to him at this point then ? It was
maybe a temporary interest UNTIL they found out his TRUE character ?

I remember being so glad to hear this [probably MUCH SUPPRESSED INFORMATION !]
that St John publicly rejected the new "Patriarch" Alexey I.
Archbishop John declared the election of Alexey I to have been uncanonical.
Viewing a film on the supposed election,
St John afterward strongly stated his loyalty to his Rocor Synod.

Let THAT go forth to the halls of the MP to jar them !

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