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Lydia wrote:

Well said, Symeon, I agree with you whole-heartedly.
I think it is pointless to confront such bigotry. That the sources which Nadir references have been thoroughly discredited doesn't seem to matter. Shahak fabricated much of his "information." And for a Roman Catholic to rely on the judgment of a homosexual, atheist and convicted libeler as Gore Vidal is simply shameful.

Lydia,
Apart from Gore Vidal – who is not even the real author of the book, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years, but Israel Shahak is – are also Arthur Koestler, Benjamin H. Freedman, Harold Wallace Rosenthal, Israel Adam Shamir, and Jack Berstein to be dismissed only because, all of them told things that you and Symeon don’t like to hear?

As for ‘Shahak fabricated much of his "information."’ Documentation, please.
Who is the bigot here, you or them?
Nadir

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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Lydia wrote:

But, Nadir, if you are willing to discuss Orthodoxy and how it is the True Faith, unlike Roman Catholicism, I would be very happy.

Lydia,
At the present, I don’t want to discuss Orthodoxy with you or with anybody in particular. As I have said before, I read a lot and I get most of my information from various sources. And this is off topic.

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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Instalment 5

Initially, I was thinking to present merely six Jewish authors, but then I had a second thought because the name of Jack Berstein came up. The main reason of my choice is that Jack Berstein was not only an American Jew, but was murdered by his enemies for telling the truth to the world.

Written in 1985 You can read Jack Berstein’s book, The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel online at http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

A CHALLENGE
THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK ARE EXPECTED TO BRING A STRONG REACTION FROM THE ZIONIST JEWS.

Remembering Jack Bernstein, murdered by Mossad for telling the truth. May he rest in peace.
My Farewell to Israel, Thorn of the Middle East
By Jack Bernstein

[Excerpts only]

Before Israel became a state in 1948, Jews worldwide were filled with Zionist propaganda that Israel would be a homeland for all Jews, a refuge for persecuted Jews, a democratic country and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

I am an Ashkenazi Jew who spent the first 25 years of my life in the United States, the country that has given ALL Jews freedom and the opportunity to prosper — and prosper we Jews did, to the point that one portion of the Jews (the Zionists) have gained a position of political and economic dominance in the U.S.

To fully understand the story I am about to tell, it is important that you understand what Zionism really is. Zionist propaganda has led the American people to believe that Zionism and Judaism are one and the same and that they are religious in nature. This is a blatant lie.

Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one ONE-WORLD GOVERMENT UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE ZIONISTS AND THE ZIONIST-ORIENTED JEWISH INTERNATIONAL BANKERS.

Communism/socialism are merely tools to help them accomplish their goal.
http://www.grandestrategy.com/2009/07/r ... ed-by.html

Read more: http://www.grandestrategy.com/2009/07/r ... z2hrSqMr3A

Also, read here:
My Farewell to Israel
The Thorn in the Mid East
By Jack Bernstein
Author's Comment http://iamthewitness.com/books/Jack.Ber ... Israel.htm
***** Jews Vs Zionists [many good links]
Zionists are NOT Jews - http://jewsvszionists.wordpress.com/

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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So you join a forum abut True Orthodoxy and you don't want to discuss it?
Instead you incite Jew-hatred with links to rabid anti-semetic propaganda. As Symeon wrote, there are many places to go where you will find kindred spirits in your quest to eradicate the "Jewish problem"
By the way, many people feel the same way about the Roman Catholic Church. That the Anti-Christ Pope through his minion followers is setting up a One World Government in the Vatican. Perhaps we should discuss "The Catholic people."

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Lydia wrote:

By the way, many people feel the same way about the Roman Catholic Church. That the Anti-Christ Pope through his minion followers is setting up a One World Government in the Vatican. Perhaps we should discuss "The Catholic people."

The Protestants with their wild heresies are the worst. Has anyone here read The Family. It was a New York Times bestseller.

Here is one review:

  • "Of all the important studies of the American right, The Family is undoubtedly the most eloquent. It is also quote possibly the most terrifying."
    --THOMAS FRANK, New York Times Bestselling author of What's the Matter with Kansas?

Here is the reference: Sharlet, Jeff, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, New York: Harper. 2009.

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Lydia wrote:

So you join a forum abut True Orthodoxy and you don't want to discuss it?
Instead you incite Jew-hatred with links to rabid anti-semetic propaganda. As Symeon wrote, there are many places to go where you will find kindred spirits in your quest to eradicate the "Jewish problem"
By the way, many people feel the same way about the Roman Catholic Church. That the Anti-Christ Pope through his minion followers is setting up a One World Government in the Vatican. Perhaps we should discuss "The Catholic people."

Lydia,

As it stands this new topic, “The Jewish People,” is in a new thread - Controversial Political and Social Issues. With your questions about “the Catholic Church and the Anti-Christ Pope” etc., you are in the wrong thread here.

If you want to talk to me, in a decent way, of course, and not in way you are doing to me now, that is, as a troll, then we may discuss things, but in the fitting thread - http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... =2&t=10421
Otherwise, if really you are so keen to talk to me, you have another option, that is to contact me personally.

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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Instalment 6

As I aforementioned in instalment one, that I thought it was necessary to say something about the so-called Jewish people with its corollary and redress the whole issue. I am well aware that the present topic is very controversial. Nevertheless, the truth has to come out. I have been battling with this subject for more than ten years now and I do not see an end to it.

I omitted to say then that my main reason of my disenchantment and alienation with the conciliar Novus Ordo church is its betrayal of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The betrayal consists, in particular, in going over to the true Catholic Church’s perennial enemy, namely, the Synagogue of the self-style Jews, this since Vatican II. Thus, the readers of this post will understand now, why I joined this forum and the rationale of my writing here.

Concerning the Jews, here are some quotes from the Bible and Fathers of the Church.

If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me, hates My Father also ... If you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sin. ~ St. John xv.22-23;viii.24

The heart of this people has grown gross, and with their ears they have heard heavily, and they have shut their eyes lest perhaps they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart. ~ Acts xxviii.27

God has given them the spirit of insensibility: eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, unto this present day. ~ Romans xi.8

If any man love not Our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema, maranatha. ~ I Corinthians xvi.22

Behold, I tell you that, if you be circumcised, Christ will be of no advantage to you. ~ Galatians v.2

The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and have persecuted us, do not please God, and they are adversaries to all men, prohibiting us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved, to fill up their sin always: for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end. ~ I Thessalonians ii.14-16

Saint John Chrysostom
Sixth Sermon against the Jews.

John Chrysostom was the harshest of the Fathers in his treatment of Jews. He associated all Jewish sins of past and present with the Jews of the contemporary generation. The Jews were the ultimate evil and therefore they “are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter.” (John Chrysostom, Orations against the Jews, 1:1). “It was not by their own power that the Caesars did what they did to you: it was done by the wrath blaspheme God, they ignore the Father, they outrage the Son, and they reject the grace of the Spirit.
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The synagogue was “brothel and ishono” and “a cave of pirates and the lair of wild beasts,” for “the Jews behave no better than hogs and goats in their lewd grossness and the excesses of their gluttony” (St. John Chrysostom). Christians were taught that God “has utterly abandoned” Jews because they “are in a state of ishonour and disgrace.... We must hate the Jews and their synagogue”

Source from, The Teaching Against the Jews, by Gerald Darring [See:Teaching Catholic Social Justice Principles http://www.silk.net/RelEd/justiceprinciples.htm;
http://www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/01Teaching.htm

How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men. They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits – pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jews are impure and impious, and their synagogue is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as is also the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their synagogue an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jews degenerate? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ. This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus, the Jew will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., “Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!” Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the synagogue, hold it in hatred and aversion. ~ St. John Chrysostom

Well should the Jew mourn who, not believing in Christ, has assigned his soul to perdition ...The Jews have crucified the Son and rejected the Holy Ghost, and their souls are the abode of the devil. ~ St. John Chrysostom
What is your iniquity, O daughter of Jacob, that your chastisement is so severe? You have dishonored the King and the King’s Son, you shameless one, you harlot! ~ St. Ephrem

The Jews, therefore, not only made themselves strangers to the covenants, but also dishonored the Father and killed the Son in envy. The Prophet invites the congregation of the House of Israel to praise Him, but they went about to kill Him and hastened to do evil. ~ St. Ephrem

If anyone does not worship the Crucified One, let him be anathema and numbered among the deicides. ~ St. Gregory Nazianzen

St. Cyprian
There is need of constant prayer lest we defect from the heavenly kingdom, as have the Jews to whom it was first promised. This the Lord makes unmistakably clear by saying: “Many will come from East and West and recline at the banquet table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven, whereas those born to the kingdom will be driven into the darkness outside, there to wail and gnash their teeth” ... Our Lord shows that the Jews were formerly children of the kingdom, but after the name “Father” disappeared from among them, so did the kingdom. The Jews have remained in darkness for having forsaken the light. ~ St. Cyprian

The Jews were unworthy to perceive the meaning of the divinely-inspired Scriptures which speak of the mystery of Christ. And because they had taken no notice of the truth, they made themselves unworthy of the salvation which flows from Christ. ~ St. Cyril of Alexandria

And from what they afterwards dared to do, it is plain to see that the Jews have swallowed their vomit and turned again to wallow in their ancient mire and relapsed into the errors of Egypt, for the Evil Spirit has again entered into them, and their last state has become worse than their first. ~ St. Cyril of Alexandria

St. Gregory of Nyssa – Jews are...
“murderers of the Lord, assassins of the prophets, rebels against God, God haters, . . . advocates of the devil, race of vipers, slanderers, calumniators, dark-minded people, leaven of the Pharisees, Sanhedrin of demons, sinners, wicked men, stoners, and haters of righteousness .” – St. Gregory of Nyssa

[See: Cf. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=568061]
O most wretched man! You know very well that on the Day of Judgment the crucified God Whom you blaspheme will send you to Hell. ~ St. Theodoret of Antioch

I hold that those of the seed of Abraham who live according to the Law of Moses and who do not believe in Christ before death shall likewise not be saved; and especially shall they not be saved who curse this very Christ in the synagogues and who curse everything by which they might obtain salvation and escape the vengeance of fire. ~ St. Justin the Martyr

St. Basil
If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead? And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God-the-Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching-forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ. For they who persevere in their blindness inherit the blood-guilt of their fathers; for they cried out: “His blood be upon us, and upon our children” (Matthew xxvii.25). ~ St. Basil the Great

O Jewish hearts, harder than rocks! ~ St. Ambrose

The Synagogue is a godless house, a collection of wickedness, and God Himself has damned it. ~ St. Ambrose (PAC, p.642)

St. Augustine
Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. The Jews held Him; the Jews insulted Him; the Jews bound Him; they crowned Him with thorns and ishonoured Him by spitting upon Him; they scourged Him; they heaped abuses upon Him; they hung Him upon a tree. ~ St. Augustine

Do not add to your sins by saying that the Covenant is both theirs and ours. Yes, it is ours, but they lost it forever. Assuredly, God gave the Covenant to the Jews, but because of their sins they were not worthy to receive it. Moses received the Testament, but the Jews were not worthy. ~ St. Barnabas

St. Athanasius
Therefore, the Jewish system is destroyed, for it was only a shadow; but that of the Church is firmly established, for it is built on the Rock, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. ~ St. Athanasius

So Jesus was saying to those Ιουδαιους [Judeans] who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

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