Dread Dangers of Western Medicine

[Barbara]

Very interesting remarks, Joasia. I had not thought that through about the Saint-Physicians and the complete
difference between their ability to heal and a modern allopathic medical practitioner's [hope no one will offended !] feeble attempts.
I agree ! N.D. is the way to go. Never an M.D. unless practicing as an N.D. {Doctor of Naturopathy for those who may well be
unfamiliar with this term].

I apologize for the confusion.
I admit I was afraid to try to put comments in quotation marks indented as everyone else does !

Also, though, I thought that was for replying to a specific person's remarks, not for posting anyone's comments from the internet.

So I will try this in the future !

I had tried to highlight that it was an anonymous commenter [anonymous to us here] by prefacing
the section with the sentence starting "2 comments below by the same commentator...."
in order to avoid the understandable lack of clarity.

So we all are in the clear now, correct ?!

I will mention some books which have been reprinted in recent years which explain the wrong philosophy
of allopathic "western medicine". I can see that they have sprung from obscurity to sizeable demand
by the number of reprints being turned out of this physician's biting works.
His arguments are so compelling that it's difficult to stick with one's former view of medicine as practiced
in America.
Now THIS AUTHOR wrote at the turn of the 20 th century ! His words parallel the article above, but
are even better supported and informative as to what one CAN do to alleviate any and all problems faced in the health realm.
I'll be back with that, maybe in a day or 2.

I want all of us TOC people or similar types to be HEALTHY, STRONG, able to endure any trials and tribulations due to
a good basic level of health.

[jgress]

I see a lot of envy in these posts concerning the kind of money (some) doctors make. Not very Christian in my view. And in case you're wondering, I'm not rich myself (though I am much better off than many people in many parts of the world).

It's always easy to see faults in other people than oneself. Let's try to remember that.

[Maria]

I agree that naturopathic and preventive medicine is much better than allopathic medicine (Western doctors) who prescribe very dangerous drugs. Let's face it, all pharmaceuticals are dangerous and can have serious and/or deadly side effects. In fact, they are designed to be lethal. More about that later.

The pharmaceutical companies in order to make a profit find a natural drug that is effective, next they find the key chemical component that is biologically active, isolate it and then synthesize it, not considering other vitamins, minerals, antioxidant, etc. that are naturally present in that natural compound which form a complete package like a symbiotic relationship that is healing. So they take this newly isolated and synthesized chemical compound that is no longer natural and they modify this chemical usually by adding a halogen ion here and there so that the drug becomes proprietary and even more biologically active. The trouble with the halogen family (chlorine, fluorine, iodine, and bromide) is that these chemicals are highly reactive and when added to a "natural" chemical, they form compounds that cause a drug reaction. Because of these dangerous halogen ions, these drugs now have a lethal limit that the natural compounds did not have.

Guess what? The FDA now mandates that all regulated drugs must be tested for the lethal dose. However, a natural compound may not have a lethal dose unless one becomes gluttonous or is force fed that ingredient. In an attempt to ban the sale of herbs and natural compounds (foods even), certain members of our congress and senate have an agenda to pass bills that would mandate the testing of all natural herbs and supplements for their lethal limit. The cost of lethal limit tests for natural supplements would be prohibitive, unnecessary, counterproductive, and in most cases, impossible. This is an egregious violation of our constitutional rights.

Whenever you are prescribed a drug, demand to see the patient insert as many pharmacists normally do not include these patient inserts with your prescription, but toss them in the trash. They believe that once you see sheer number of potentially deadly side effects, that you will develop these side effects. If you are fortunate to obtain a patient insert or can view the latest PDR, look at the chemical structure and notice the added halogen ions.

Have you seen the recent TV commericals for pharmaceuticals? Currently, the FDA mandates these drug companies to list all these dangerous side effects which can include hives, nausea, dizziness, headaches, fungal infections, muscle aches, leg cramps, blood clots, strokes, suppressed immunity to tuberculous, and even heart attacks. I predict that within one to five years, these warnings will no longer be part of the advertisements.

[StephenS]

As a qualified health educator and former clinician let me tip my two pence worth in.

First the comparison between herbal and homeopathic medicines as good and allopathic medicine as bad is both simplistic and naive, I would suggest. Both have vested interests making monies from them and pushing their selective claims. Both herbal and allopathic medicines may have both positive and negative effects, while homeopathic medicine might be favoured by the Prince of Wales there is very little clinical evidence for its' efficacy.

Herbal medicines may cause severe organ damage, even death. Given a choice between Willow Bark or Aspirin for a headache I'll choose Aspirin every time as the unwanted effects of Willow Bark are so unpleasant. Getting a standardised dose too may be problematic in herbal medicine. So again I'll take the cardiologist's prescription against Foxglove taken from the garden, thank you.

Blood pressure high? Alicin found in garlic has been clinically proven to reduce BP by ten per cent in some studies, but only when taken as a tablet and not as cloves. A colleague of mine nearly failed his migration medical for New Zealand until I stepped in and pointed this out. He sailed through his third and final medical as a result.

Allopathic medicine is tied in with the very large pharmaceutical industry. It does much good, but is also guilty of suppressing unhelpful evidence in clinical trials. Certainly this is very evident in the field of mental health, were this practice compounded by the conjuring up of diagnostic systems based on nothing more than the views of several clinicians meeting behind closed doors and then publishing the world's best selling diagnostic tool on the back of a totally non-scientific approach. But at least here I may report unwanted effects of allopathic medicine whereas with herbal medicine there is no overseeing body to report to.

What is disturbing is people's continuing unwillingness to realise that many illnesses will resolve without medication, and that the taking inappropriately of antibiotics simply leads to their effectiveness being eroded. Good hygiene, rest, self care and an appropriate fluid and food regime are often all that's needed. Cheap and effective.

But as one whose life was saved by antibiotics when I sustained a small cut while working in my cousin's farmyard, and knowing that an older relative had died from a rubbing boot on the same yard years earlier because antibiotics were then not available, I take objection to simplistic 'good' versus 'bad' in a debate that is more complex than some might paint it.

[joasia]

As a qualified health educator and former clinician let me tip my two pence worth in.

First the comparison between herbal and homeopathic medicines as good and allopathic medicine as bad is both simplistic and naive, I would suggest. Both have vested interests making monies from them and pushing their selective claims. Both herbal and allopathic medicines may have both positive and negative effects, while homeopathic medicine might be favoured by the Prince of Wales there is very little clinical evidence for its' efficacy.

Herbal medicines may cause severe organ damage, even death. Given a choice between Willow Bark or Aspirin for a headache I'll choose Aspirin every time as the unwanted effects of Willow Bark are so unpleasant. Getting a standardised dose too may be problematic in herbal medicine. So again I'll take the cardiologist's prescription against Foxglove taken from the garden, thank you.

Blood pressure high? Alicin found in garlic has been clinically proven to reduce BP by ten per cent in some studies, but only when taken as a tablet and not as cloves. A colleague of mine nearly failed his migration medical for New Zealand until I stepped in and pointed this out. He sailed through his third and final medical as a result.

Allopathic medicine is tied in with the very large pharmaceutical industry. It does much good, but is also guilty of suppressing unhelpful evidence in clinical trials. Certainly this is very evident in the field of mental health, were this practice compounded by the conjuring up of diagnostic systems based on nothing more than the views of several clinicians meeting behind closed doors and then publishing the world's best selling diagnostic tool on the back of a totally non-scientific approach. But at least here I may report unwanted effects of allopathic medicine whereas with herbal medicine there is no overseeing body to report to.

What is disturbing is people's continuing unwillingness to realise that many illnesses will resolve without medication, and that the taking inappropriately of antibiotics simply leads to their effectiveness being eroded. Good hygiene, rest, self care and an appropriate fluid and food regime are often all that's needed. Cheap and effective.

But as one whose life was saved by antibiotics when I sustained a small cut while working in my cousin's farmyard, and knowing that an older relative had died from a rubbing boot on the same yard years earlier because antibiotics were then not available, I take objection to simplistic 'good' versus 'bad' in a debate that is more complex than some might paint it.

Can you explain why several MD's couldn't help my sister-in-law when she was feeling sick and starting to say strange things, but when they went to an ND, thank God!, the ND did some kind of test because of her suspicions and confirmed that my sister-in-law had mercury poisoning in the brain. She is an artist and, back then, was still painting which had high levels of mercury. Perhaps the ND was wise enough to ask some questions about her to realize where the problem was. She saved her life. Whereas, the MD's said that it was all "in her head". Ironic that they used that term. They were so apathetic due to years of numbing emotions. Why is it that MD's don't care enough to learn about how the body works but so many times the ND's know exactly what's happening to a person?

Although, I do see hope in Dr. OZ. He doesn't write off homeopathic or naturalpath treatments like most MD's do. Sure, if MD's had that background knowledge and afterwards explained how it's absolutely necessary to take antibiotics then I would trust them. But, most don't. They just want to pump you up with chemicals.

And I agree that ND's also make money. Their treatments are expensive, but they get to the cause of the issue. And I've learnt a lot more about how my body works than when I go to an MD. For example, the common cold. How irritating is it when a co-worker or two or three are sick and everyone else falls into it because it's passed around. This past year, all my department members got sick except me. Since I learnt about organic oil of oregano, I stop that process while my co-workers suffer for a week and lose days at work. I tell them about it and they say yeah yeah, but they don't take it. That's their problem.

I thank God that I was lead to learn about natural treatments because it's best to start using them when we're healthy in order to prevent illnesses.
And I also agree that people have to be careful about what natural treatments they use if they have other health issues. But, you can't rule out that it doesn't work at all. These treatments are used all over Europe, but for some reason, they are a stigma in North America.

[joasia]

I see a lot of envy in these posts concerning the kind of money (some) doctors make. Not very Christian in my view. And in case you're wondering, I'm not rich myself (though I am much better off than many people in many parts of the world).

It's always easy to see faults in other people than oneself. Let's try to remember that.

Read my post to Stephen. You are way out in left field. Your observation is wrong. Listen to the facts and hear the true message. There's no envy here. We are concerned about getting competent analysis. The world view is upside down. Even Orthodox Christians believe in evolution. That's insane. And thinking that synthetic alternatives is a benefit for our health is a lie. God created this world and all that's in it. He knew that man would fall, but in His great love, He gave us all the natural tools we need because He created these tools of nature to work with our bodies. Ancient medicine which comes from natural sources proves it. This is the Christian view. So basically, the society we live in, rejects God and turns to man-made products which can help a bit but eventually destroys the intricate microcosm that was designed by God and throws it into chaos which causes more physical dilemmas.

[Maria]

We must realize that during World War II, the Americans and Brits were instructed not to bomb the German pharmaceutical companies, where the Nazis stored their ammunition. Why was this so?

Why has the FDA turned a deaf ear to the reports of dangerous drug side effects that are causing suicides in teenagers and adults who are taking antidepressants? Why has the FDA refused to ban the dangerous statin drugs, but instead is recommending that statin drugs be taken by almost all senior citizens or anyone who has a "normal" blood pressure of 120/80?

Why were two of my previous doctor subjected to intensive FDA investigations where these federal agents trashed their offices when their only crime was that they were devout Christians who refused to prescribe drugs but who sought more natural means of healing people according to the Hippocratic Oath which they took?