HOCNA-GOC AB Makarios intercommunion in Spring 2013

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Re: HOCNA-GOC AB Makarios intercommunion in Spring 2013

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Priest Siluan wrote:

I heard they (HOCNA) were required to sign a correct confession of Orthodox Faith just like GOC-Makarios does. But it is only a rumor.

Dear Father Siluan,

Let us pray that such a correct confession of Faith has been signed and that HOCNA has abandoned their prior errors and heresies.

However, I did check the HOCNA website (http://www.homb) and discovered that they have cleaned up their site and put all their disinformation about Name Worshipping in their archives. So, if AB Makarios were to see their website, none of their encyclicals about Name-Worshipping would be seen, unless he were to access their archives.

Look at this archive at http://www.homb.org/2012_11_01_archive.html
Notice the Encyclical entitled Divergent Teachings dated 27 September/10 October, 2012.

This Encyclical "Divergent Teachings" is pure disinformation, is craftily worded, and might easily mislead AB Makarios:

Concerning the Constantinopolitan patriarchs’ resolutions of 1912 and 1913, and also, the decision of the so-called Russian synod of 1913, these pronouncements against the Name-worshippers are not reasoned theologically according to the traditional teachings of the Orthodox Church. Their basic reasoning rejects the patristic teaching that the Name of God is Holy by nature; further they teach that It is not an energy or operation, nor the grace of God. Those who believe this fall under their own condemnation because, like the Name-worshippers they condemn, they believe that God’s revealed Name is separate from Him. Further, they perpetually speak of God’s eternal Name as if it were some created object, not revealed from on high, as our Fathers teach.

It is for this reason that we hierarchs of the Holy Orthodox Church in North America are not Name-worshippers. The reasons for the hierarchs’ refusal to accept the various resolutions and decisions concerning Name-worshippers should also be clear.

Despite their claims to the contrary, HOCNA is still an ardent believer in the Name Worshipping heresy. They believe that the Name of God is not God in His Essence, but that the Name of God is God in His Uncreated Energies. If HOCNA were to reject the Name-Worshipping heresy, they would have pulled the Encyclical "Divergent Teachings," and they would have openly repented.

Apparently HOCNA has neither repented, nor has HOCNA apologized to Bishop Demetrius and to those who have left HOCNA over the Name-Worshipping heresy.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Re: GOC-AB Makarios and HOCNA in full communion

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Isn't GOC-AB Makarios the "Lamian" synod? If so, this group and HOCNA were in talks to unify several years ago. It ended when AB Makarios refused to acknowledge the validity of the HOCNA consecrations.
I wonder what changed his mind?

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Re: HOCNA-GOC AB Makarios intercommunion in Spring 2013

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Lydia wrote:

Isn't GOC-AB Makarios the "Lamian" synod? If so, this group and HOCNA were in talks to unify several years ago. It ended when AB Makarios refused to acknowledge the validity of the HOCNA consecrations.
I wonder what changed his mind?

Suddenly, AB Makarios accepts the validity of the HOCNA consecrations and is not questioning HOCNA's orthodoxy despite the fact that those Name-Worshipping Encyclicals remain on the HOCNA website.

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Lydia wrote:

Isn't GOC-AB Makarios the "Lamian" synod? If so, this group and HOCNA were in talks to unify several years ago. It ended when AB Makarios refused to acknowledge the validity of the HOCNA consecrations.
I wonder what changed his mind?

Yes, it is ,and also it also true that they were in dialogue in the past. Only that I heard another version about why they did not come to be in communion in that time. the versión I heard was that the "Lamians" were ok, but HOCNA pretended to be over the authority of GOC in Greece, because according HOCNA, Met. Makarios of Torontos is the "Locum Tenens" of Arbishop of Athens and All Greece. What is the real version of this issue? I do not know.

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I ask the Moderator: Is the GOC of AB Makarios also not only in communion with the HOCNA now, but also with the RTOC ? This is totally a new development.

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Archimandrit Nilos wrote:

I ask the Moderator: Is the GOC of AB Makarios also not only in communion with the HOCNA now, but also with the RTOC ? This is totally a new development.

No, far as I know, we (RTOC) are not in comunion with GOC-Abp. Makarios... Why do you think so?

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Re: GOC-AB Makarios and HOCNA in full communion

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The name-worshippers control the Makarios synod.

Simple.

Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)

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