Demission of Gabriel (de Vylder) of "Comana" Paris

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Oh. I didn't know this background. Actually I am hazy on all that.
I am just angry that the Rue Daru parish has been in the WRONG hands since the Revolution [or shortly after ?
I would like to understand that interim period better as far as the European parishes were concerned].
Rue Daru SHOULD HAVE BEEN a Rocor Cathedral, but
somehow, machinations must have pried it away, via Met Evlogy of sorry memory.
I guess it never bounced back ?

I hate to look at "002"'s site [it is a propaganda channel for both the owner's ego AND some elements over in Russia.
look at those words printed in the Rocor-MP union thread started by Maria, I think.
Who could publish that kind of outrageous statement and not only that, laud it !

However, if there IS additional information about the Rue Daru and its Rector [or previous Rector if he has stepped down
already] worth viewing, I WILL take a quick peek.
Sometimes one can gather a few nuggets of knowledge even from hostile sites like 002's.

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Sad!

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I agree totally. For them Ecumenism is really a new religion of modern times. True Orthodoxy was never in this sectarian group of the fallen "World Orthodoxy".

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Rue Daru: The End-Game
Tragically, two fragments of the Russian Orthodox Church in the emigration have still not joined the reunited Russian Orthodox Church. Her recovered unity came into being in 2007, when the Patriarchal Church inside Russia finally accepted all the conditions set it by the multinational Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR). Since that time, over five years ago, the reunited Church has gone from strength to strength, whereas the two disunited fragments, isolated from their spiritual roots, have suffered profound internal troubles and dissension.

One of the fragments, called the OCA and based in North America, has gone from one financial and moral scandal to another and has sacked two Metropolitans within that time. Its behaviour, akin to that of a secular US corporation and not to a Church, has astounded the Orthodox world. The other émigré fragment, the Paris Exarchate, based in Rue Daru in Paris, has for over twenty years been deeply divided. Like the OCA, only even smaller, it has been riven by Russophobic Western nationalism and has desperately sought to survive in its schizophrenic, self-imposed isolation.

This Paris split resembles very closely that undergone by the Sourozh Diocese in Great Britain (though outside Russia, strangely enough in the jurisdiction of the Church inside Russia). The ignoring by the Sourozh bishop and clerical and convert elite of the wishes of the trampled faithful for 25 years, resulted in 2006 in a tragic schism. In this schism, 300 mainly ex-Anglican dissidents, including their bishop, left the Russian Church and its tens of thousands of faithful in Great Britain and transferred themselves to Rue Daru. Their motivation was their inability to accept Orthodoxy, wanting instead a Protestant-style sect.

Now we are seeing the same thing again in Rue Daru. The story here is that five members of the 12-strong Diocesan Council of the Paris Exarchate, at present under the Patriarchate of Constantinople, have fallen into disagreement with their own Archbishop Gabriel. The group of five (Deacon Ioann Drobot, Karin Wothe, Basil Tiesenhausen Victor Lupan, Vadim Tichonicky), backed by many of the faithful, have even filed a lawsuit against him, the only bishop of their grouping. This extraordinary action on the part of these well-respected and long-standing members of the Church has been motivated by a profound disagreement.

This disagreement has been going on for decades. The turning-point was undoubtedly the 1988 celebration of the Thousand Years of the Baptism of Russia. Then the Rue Daru authorities turned their backs on the Russian Church and the trampled faithful, preferring instead a celebration together with the Catholic Church, of which we are eyewitnesses. Superficially, the tragic dispute has come about because Archbishop Gabriel is ill with cancer and so has not appointed a warden for the Rue Daru Cathedral. However, in reality, the problem is the underlying very deep split between two groups.

The first group consists of the ever-growing multinational group in the Exarchate who are faithful to Orthodox Christian Tradition and want to return to the reunited Mother-Church. The second group consists of French-speaking modernists who wish to remain in the Patriarchate of Constantinople, where they are free to continue to introduce modernistic innovations. The inaction of Archbishop Gabriel, whether through illness or otherwise, strangely resembles the situation of the Sourozh Diocese, where the governing elite had for 25 years also ignored the heartfelt protest of the multinational grassroots.

Twenty-one years after the fall of Communism and five years after the Patriarchal Church inside Russia finally reunited with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR), this tragedy is now unfolding in Paris. It comes at the same time as in North America the OCA is about to elect yet another Metropolitan (there are now three who have been sacked) to lead it. It would seem that both these fragments of the emigration need our urgent prayers, that they may split no more and at last seek the cement of the Mother-Church before it is too late and they are assimilated and disappear into the Non-Orthodox mass.

Archpriest Andrew Phillips, Colchester, England / UK (ROCOR/MP)

We see here the great confusion within the fallen "World Orthodoxy" . Ecumneism unadulterated !

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An other interesting statement about the condition of the "Archbishopric of the rue Daru" on the year 2005.

http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/orthod ... &var=1&p=4

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Thank you so much, respected Archimandrite !

I actually just started with the first page's link.
HA HA - I went to 002's site. Found a mockery of the worry about the infiltration of agents to
America via the Rocor MAL-union [like malpractice !] -

002 proceeded into a fit of bombast, wherein 002 wrote : The MARGEROVSKY lot left us" - us is Rocor Mp apparently.
002 couldn't even get the name right of Dr Eugene Magerovsky, a valiant fighter against that MAL=union.
Yet 002 spends ALL 002's time on a soapbox raging away at the ignorance of everyone but 002.
This, to an audience of almost nobody.
No one of any caliber, that is.

I will proceed to the 2 explanations above, thank you again.

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Thank you for the Fr Andrew Phillips diatribe...!

I finally had a chance to be able to concentrate on it.

His writings are always breathtaking. One can hardly believe the way he asserts such things as :

"it has been riven by Russophobic Western nationalism and has desperately sought to survive in its schizophrenic, self-imposed isolation."

Just because this Fr Andrew feels he was misplaced born in england and should have been made an automatic Russian,
doesn't mean that everyone ELSE has to revere the MP the way he servilely does !

So much of the article is skewed.

But at least there are some facts from which we can learn a little more about the crisis.

Perhaps Archbishop Gabriel of Comana is not that sick but is retiring to get away from the nasty and unfitting squabbling in his ranks ?

Why on earth would a French-based jurisdiction WANT to subjugate itself to the shackles of the MP ??
Of course Fr Andrew cannot imagine anyone not sharing his views. Maybe narcissism at work ?

That IS crazy that the 5 Parish Council members are SUING Abp Gabriel. Sick !

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