Strike One Up for Rocor-MP !

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I found this Statement of the Rocor-MP Bishops and was agreeably surprised.

I am not clear exactly how far they are going in criticizing Putin and the Soviet mentality which he does
STILL personify to some notable degree.
--- [Contrary to itinerant preacher Brother Nathanael's slavish devotion to his hero, the Russian leader]

It's remarkable that the Rocor-MP Synod sounds FIRM, CONFIDENT and RESOLUTE for the first time since the humiliating "union" with Moscow's imposter-patriarchate !

Seems like quite a promising development.

Let's hope to see much more of the principled stance which of course was the way of the
first 4 Rocor Metropolitans.
Notably, this Statement is dated on Dec. 14, feast day of St Philaret the Almsgiver, who as
we all know was Metropolitan Philaret's Saint.

I think Metropolitan Philaret should be dubbed : The Great - to distinguish him from all the others.

I was glad when there was the statement about Lenin's role needing
to be investigated posted on the same site awhile back. However, it wasn't clear at that time exactly what event
had elicited what sounded to be a SHARP RETORT to Moscow's position.

That is what is alluded to at the end of the groundbreaking statement,
which as customary was signed by the principal Rocor Bishops:

Source : website of Rocor-MP.

"Recently the Russian media has reported that the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, spoke out on the matter of the mausoleum containing the mummified body of Lenin.

The Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia completely rejects the form in which his thoughts are being reported now, and the conclusions expressed in loud headlines. Brief news items which ignore details can completely distort the truth.

According to the transcript posted on the website of Russian President, Vladimir Putin responded to a statement made by a "trusted individual" in which Russian television was harshly criticized. Mr Putin admitted that there is a problem, and noted the "loss of certain guideposts." Expecting attacks from "colleagues on the left," and referring to the "code of the builder of communism," he further pointed out that communists had borrowed liberally from "traditional world religions" : concepts were "borrowed from them," "tradition was usurped," and in fact, this was done "competently, in accordance with the standards of that time."

Those times were terrible, of course, times when blood flowed freely.

Essentially, the president emphasized the thievery and deceit which accompanied the communist approach to human life, and we believe that this should be interpreted as their policy of confiscation. Still, a proper assessment of the matter in open discussion was absent, and the possibility presented itself to ignore the intended meaning of certain concepts, and so to improperly introduce absolutely opposite meanings. And so arose the pretext to state that Mr Putin ostensibly "compared" the uncorrupt relics of the Saints (and consequently of their way of life) with the mummified body of the main "builder of communism" whose criminal acts cost the peoples of the former Russian Empire millions of lives.

A confused discussion thereby commenced on the matter of "returning to our roots" (which roots?), to "address education," "including the teaching of patriotism on our traditional foundations." What concrete "traditions," what kind of "patriotism"is this intended to mean? These are questions that disturb many of our compatriots not only in Russia, but also Russians living abroad, not least of whom are our faithful believers.

The difference is clear. Believers, of course, do not go to "view" the relics of Saints (especially since they are usually under cover), no, they go to pray to God, and Mr Putin is quite aware of the living presence of the Saints in the mind of the Church and of society, which is different than that of the communist world view. We deem it impossible to ascribe to the Russian President a "comparison" between the Saints of the Kievan Caves and Lenin.

One cannot but be disappointed at the misinterpretation of the very moral "guideposts" being discussed. The reaction of a segment of society, though vague, still evidences sensitivity, and should be instructive for us. To wit: the extended, tedious confusion in the discussion of genuine Russian spiritual traditions, as we can see, is no accident. In evidence is the lack of clear moral judgment of the regime which suppressed human individuality for decades . This has had a lethal effect on the life of the people f or over two decades , and it continues to spiritually destroy Rus?. We cannot achieve the genuine renewal and rebirth of the people and the country without an honest appraisal of the past.

Equating of the Cross of our Lord with the militantly-atheistic red star cannot be justified. Attempts to hold on to the latter will not lead our people onto the bright path of vibrant fruitfulness. Therefore, as one of many small steps, we recently supported an initiative (a request by the Investigative Commission of the Russian Federation) to make a conclusive analysis of the actions of Lenin. A profound comprehension of the meaning of Russian history is needed for the sake of absolving her future path of the consequences of deceit and false substitutions."

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You didn't post a link.

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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I said clearly the source, familiar and easy to look up for the readers of this site.

I am hoping my interpretation was generally accurate : I saw where another site considered it
to indicate just the opposite.

I get the feeling that Rocor-MP is cramped into tight quarters with little maneuvering room by their
new 'masters'.

So this is the best they could do to sound a note of independence.

I encourage that and hope that they will collect a zillion dollars, renovate the Synod headquarters,
all the churches that need work or financial help,
then say Adios to the MP.

That's my very practical plan to turn a huge loss -- from having to be subjected to
some of the most impossible people on the planet, I can guess, at the MP --
into an net gain for Rocor.

Rocor has to have something to show for that foray into the dastadly scene.

One can be sure that at least older school clergy who reluctantly - against their better
judgment -- stayed on after The 2007 Takeover -- grind their teeth every time there
is some dreadful news item [such has been posted on this site aplenty].

I bet if Rocor-MP today said, "Listen, flock : this just hasn't worked out well. We will
secede from the MP", hardly anyone would object !
Except a few diehard cheerleaders of the MP.

So maybe a productive trend could start from this epistle forward of honest, frank assessments
which after all, the RocorMP is entitled to express, being in a sovereign country.
I can't say "a FREE country" for the U.S. ISN'T that anymore. If it ever was.....

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There might be a few souls in ROCOR-MP who will agree with you, Barbara, but the majority will probably stay put, swallow hard, and go along with the MP. After all, they asked for this.

Some of the new ROCOR-MP parishes are filling up with refugees from the OCA who do not like the OCA Synod nor their policy of dumping/firing/requesting resignations of their last four Metropolitans. They have asked when will this madness and nasty internet gossip end? Finally, some brave souls have voted with their feet. Now that they are seeing first hand what the ROCOR-MP is up against, they might come into True Orthodoxy. Let us pray for them.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Maria wrote:

refugees from the OCA... Let us pray for them.

Please do.

-Antonios

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Antonios wrote:
Maria wrote:

refugees from the OCA... Let us pray for them.

Please do.

-Antonios

Lord have mercy.

What is your experience, Antionios?
Have you visited an ROCOR-MP parish recently?
Have you had an opportunity to discuss the topic mentioned in the OP with members of the ROCOR-MP?
If so, what was their interpretation?

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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