What is Renovationism?

[Maria]

What is Renovationism?

I did not want to go to sites such as Wikipedia.

[jgress]

I think Renovationism with a capital R refers to the "Living Church" schism of the 1920s in Russia.

[Mark Templet]

Maria,
jgress is right, but it also depends on what context it is used in as well. Having been an Episcopalian, I am familiar with this term applied to clergy, especially bishops. It means about what is sounds like-- someone who wants to renovate the church/diocese/parish etc. Much like a person renovates their kitchen, there are people that seek to create something new; in Episcopalian circles, the term usually meant someone who wants to see things work in a new way. Long story short: it is usually not a term associated with orthodox thought, mostly it has a great deal to do with modernism and ecumenism. It stems from the attitude of, "Well, it's a good thing I came along to straighten the Church out."

Hope that helps.

[Maria]

Maria,
jgress is right, but it also depends on what context it is used in as well. Having been an Episcopalian, I am familiar with this term applied to clergy, especially bishops. It means about what is sounds like-- someone who wants to renovate the church/diocese/parish etc. Much like a person renovates their kitchen, there are people that seek to create something new; in Episcopalian circles, the term usually meant someone who wants to see things work in a new way. Long story short: it is usually not a term associated with orthodox thought, mostly it has a great deal to do with modernism and ecumenism. It stems from the attitude of, "Well, it's a good thing I came along to straighten the Church out."

Hope that helps.

Thanks, Father and Jonathan.

[joasia]

Long story short: it is usually not a term associated with orthodox thought, mostly it has a great deal to do with modernism and ecumenism.

Good point..."not a term associated with orthodox thought". Orthodox Church thought is based on tradition established by the Apostles and the Holy Fathers that preserved that. These two views are the polar opposites. Perfection cannot be renovated. Renovationism is an expression of rejecting God's Will. I believe Adam and Eve were the original renovationists (of mankind)? Their source was the evil one. But, if we think about it...don't we all live a little as renovationists when we do what we want and not what God wants?

"Orthodox thought" is not only about the Canons, but about everyday life. The Holy Apostles and saints wrote sermons exhorting their faithful to live for Christ because they saw how so many were living by their own standards. We try to incorporate God into our lives instead of transforming our former ways for God.

But, I see that I'm off subject, so if the moderators think this is a discussion that needs to be moved, please do.

In Christ,
Joanna

[Maria]

Long story short: it is usually not a term associated with orthodox thought, mostly it has a great deal to do with modernism and ecumenism.

Good point..."not a term associated with orthodox thought". Orthodox Church thought is based on tradition established by the Apostles and the Holy Fathers that preserved that. These two views are the polar opposites. Perfection cannot be renovated. Renovationism is an expression of rejecting God's Will. I believe Adam and Eve were the original renovationists (of mankind)? Their source was the evil one. But, if we think about it...don't we all live a little as renovationists when we do what we want and not what God wants?

"Orthodox thought" is not only about the Canons, but about everyday life. The Holy Apostles and saints wrote sermons exhorting their faithful to live for Christ because they saw how so many were living by their own standards. We try to incorporate God into our lives instead of transforming our former ways for God.

But, I see that I'm off subject, so if the moderators think this is a discussion that needs to be moved, please do.

In Christ,
Joanna

On the contrary, you are right on topic. Thanks for your contribution too.