A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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Despotovac wrote:

Excuse me brother Ekklisiastikos, but you do not know what you say. I have to say that this is impudent nonsense. Bishop Akakije is the founder of true Orthodoxy in Serbia. He is not „every ambitious Serbian hieromonk“. Because, he only fights for the interests of the Serbian TOC, which defends with all forces from Greece aggression.

Anything new..? Anything true?

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It is a tragedy. Who will clarify all your schisms? Your history is schism nursery!

Then you are ordained by schismatics, your ordination is uncanonical, so you are not a real priest but a simple layman. Since you admit this we are obliged to call you brother Stephan. Otherwise ask from you Russian friends to perform a cheirothesia on you..!

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You are in the eyes of most Serbs just one of many old calendar Synods in Greece and you have a bad reputation.

Br Sava already answered. This "most of Serbs" think it again. Even the numbers are against you.. :wink: After Belgrade we have the real picture of the situation..

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The spirit of schism and sectarianism now flourishing among you.

Maybe this is true. If we take as an example your situation, then Yes you are the verification of this assertion :wink:

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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I humbly suggest to pay attention to the Holy Canons no. 8 of the Third Ecumenical Council, and no. 74 of the Eighth Council of Carthage, I think they are highly applicable to the Serbian TOC situation.

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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sava wrote:
Despotovac wrote:

Excuse me brother Ekklisiastikos, but you do not know what you say. I have to say that this is impudent nonsense. Bishop Akakije is the founder of true Orthodoxy in Serbia. He is not „every ambitious Serbian hieromonk“. Аmbitious priests are shameful fit on your side. You Greeks have created confusion in Serbia with your possessive pretension to the Serbian Church. You're not want to see independent sister church, because that you constantly slandering Bishop Akakios. Because, he only fights for the interests of the Serbian TOC, which defends with all forces from Greece aggression. It is a tragedy. Who will clarify all your schisms? Your history is schism nursery! You are in the eyes of most Serbs just one of many old calendar Synods in Greece and you have a bad reputation. You falsely think that you are a great super - church that has the right to judge whole universe. The spirit of schism and sectarianism now flourishing among you. Your noncanonical aggression usurpation of power in much suffering Serbia will soon collapse.

Dear Despotovac, the source of your problems is the Hero Worshipping!..http://www.ekklisiastikos.com/search/la ... orshipping. Calm down and don't lose your composure. You still don't have arguments. You can ask mr. Moss if he has any additional slanders/arguments against the Holy Synod to provide you with. It is ironical to say now that the Holy Synod has bad reputation because when you were ordained as a priest by ''Greek Bishops'' or when you were taking greek euros and US dollars from the GOC, you didn't even dare to say something like that!

Excuse me brother Sava, when I said most Serbs I did not meant the True Orthodox Christians, but in general Serbian orthodox people. Because we are never able to explain the lot schisms situation in GOC of Greece. That moment is a big scandal. People us approach just with big trust. Is why so few of the TOC faithful in Serbia. At the same time many of Serbs from official church in the Greek old calendar Synods have no confidence. This is the meaning of the said.

We knew this situation of the GOC of Greece but like says Bishop Akakije we had nowhere to go because the glorious ROCOR was with Cyprian and leaning to the World Orthodoxy.

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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Ekklisiastikos:

This "most of Serbs" think it again. Even the numbers are against you.. After Belgrade we have the real picture of the situation..

What is a group of people demonstrated in Belgrade? About fifty men and three priests. Other clerics were from Greece and a some of Bulgarian.

At our meeting in the monastery Vrdnik was about a ninety people, although many could not come, as for instance the whole parish from Nis and monkhood.

We must admit that a few people you "entice" by intimidation. Threaten to anyone who is not cursed with a Greek GOC that he is damned and outside of the Church! Ultimately that is your mission in Serbia - violence and terror.

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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Dear Despotovac I think you have to read more carefully the Synodal letter and pay attention to the following paragraphs:

''..What is more, in the document of their rebellion the severed brethren express their gratitude in words for everything that the Church of the G.O.C of Greece has provided them. But because we did not ordain for them as bishop the one whom a small group desired at the time that that group demanded, they decided to appeal to the Russians. What a concept of gratitude and obedience. They pay no heed to the bishops that ordained them because they will not promote a specific person among them. They set fire to their mother’s house and harm their brethren who remain faithful to her and then they utter into their mother’s ear, “thank you”.

They say, moreover, that the Greek Exarch did not visit Serbia for an entire decade. They are silent, however, on the fact that between 1998 and 2006 the Exarch of Eastern Europe was the late Archbishop Chrysostomos of Athens, who, on account of his advanced age, asked assistance from then-Metropolitan Kallinikos of Achaia in ordaining and training priests and supplying them with Holy Chrism and antemensia. In addition, Abbess Euphrosyni as well on 8 October 2003 declared before Bishop Chrysostom of the Serbian Patriarchate, “the genuine Serbian Orthodox Church is the Church of the GOC of Serbia and I only obey the true Archbishop of the Greek Old Calendarists, Chrysostomos.” The Abbess’ good witness was the cause for the eviction of the nuns from the Holy Monastery of Stjenik. In 2006, at the request of the late Archbishop Chrysostomos, the Exarchate of Eastern Europe was combined with the Exarchate of Central and Western Europe having as its Exarch then-Metropolitan Kallinikos of Achaia, who from that point began to visit Serbia or to send another Bishop in his place. They say, as well, in their documents that the Greek Exarch caused a division between the Serbian GOC. You all know better than any what caused the division among you and simultaneously the attempts of your Archpastor at reconciliation, as well as who refused to concelebrate with other Serbian clergy and perpetuated in this way the division.

We too desire the rebirth of Orthodoxy in Serbia and the restoration of the autocephalous local Church of Serbia, understood in the genuine Orthodox sense. As we have declared in the past in writing, we have no plan to absorb the local Genuine Orthodox Church of Serbia. Moreover, in the memorandum our currently separated brethren submitted to us this past January, we did not set the small size of population as an impediment for the ordination of a bishop, but merely specified [as a condition] the better organization of the community of GOC of Serbia through the implementation of a Governing Council in which would be heard all views and which would truly express your voices. The separated brethren did not agree. They did not desire to have dissenters with them in this body. Why not, if they represented the majority? How would it have mattered, if there were a minority view? Did they fear that they really represented a minority view rather than the view of the majority? This is what in the end proved to be true. The system of sending away dissenters and of establishing deliberative bodies that prove to be merely cheerleaders of a leader suggests the totalitarian regimes of the past.

Our separated brethren and children attempt to make a parallel between their case and the case of the Greek GOC, when they found themselves without bishops in 1955. This parallel is incongruous. In 1955, the Church of the GOC of Greece was fully organized and formed as an organization and the 66 priests (with all of those able present) elected a twelve-member Council (Governing Ecclesiastical Council) through a transparent democratic process for their administration until they found Bishops. The term of office of the members of the Council was renewed every year by election. They chose their Episcopal candidates through an absolutely transparent process and secret ballot.

What elementary process did our estranged brethren follow that authorized them to speak for the Serbian Genuine Orthodox Church as they claim? They formed an exclusive group excluding those that disagreed with them; that is, they formed a faction (a transgression of the canons: Canon 18 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council and Canon 34 of the Sixth Ecumenical Council) and arbitrarily proceeded to make decisions without consulting with you and, certainly, without Episcopal sanction. This is another difference between the cases of the Greek GOC in 1955-1960 and the Serbian GOC in 2011. You today, through the grace of the Lord, are not deprived of your bishops on account of persecution, as the Greek GOC were then. Accordingly all the activity of the priests of the GOC of Serbia should have been undertaken with Episcopal blessing, in that, as St. Ignatius the God-bearer writes: “The one who does anything behind the bishop’s back serves the devil”. (Epistle to the Smyrneans 9.1) Some priests ignore this maxim; but when they are ordained bishops they invoke it. Your bishops did not refuse to ordain a bishop for your better pastoral care. This, however, needed to happen at the right time and through canonical procedures. One cannot build a roof at the moment the foundations are laid. It is necessary, at least, to erect the columns to support the roof. The “columns” of the Serbian Church of the GOC are its better organization.

This action of our estranged brethren is even more condemnable in that they knew that on the agenda of the Synodal Meeting of August 3rd was a proposal for the Synod to adopt a time table for the ordination of a bishop of your choosing and the reorganization of the Serbian Church of the GOC immediately after the union with the Russian Synod under Archbishop Tikhon, with, moreover, the cooperation of Greek and Russian bishops. They did not wait at all the result of the Synod, but the eve of August 3rd they ran to make their plan a accomplished fact through their coup. ...''

The Synodal letter raises questions which are still not answered neither by fr. Akakios nor by Mr. Moss (your ''Patriarch'' in shadow)

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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From now on I forbid unsupported accusations that Dr. Moss instigated this affair. All we know is that he was involved in the negotiations, but the ordination remains the responsibility of Fr/Bp Akakije and the hierarchy of the RTOC.

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Re: A RTOC Brief Account of the Event

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Priest Siluan wrote:

I humbly suggest to pay attention to the Holy Canons no. 8 of the Third Ecumenical Council, and no. 74 of the Eighth Council of Carthage, I think they are highly applicable to the Serbian TOC situation.

I don't think so father..Leonidas has already answer about these canons here; http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... =84#p50867.

There are highly applicable canons to the Akakian Schism such as Canon 31 of the Holy Apostles, Canon 18 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council and Canon 34 of the Sixth Ecumenical Council.

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