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jgress wrote:Thank you, Leonidas. Tryphon, I understand your concern about whether Met Paul gave his blessing and I think that's good enough for me not to ban you for continuing to pursue this argument, although as Leonidas pointed out this was not actually an instance where Met Paul's blessing was required.
Please explain to me whether any true orthodox christian who visited America and ask for help from someone who has nothing with the GOC Metropolis must have the blessing of the Met Paul's?
ПРАВОСЛАВЉЕ ИЛИ СМРТ!
Priest Siluan wrote:leonidas wrote:Regarding Bp. Artemius, please ask him when it will be when he plans on completing his undertaking in fighting ecumenism and join the GOC.
Excellent question, dear Leonidas.
I'll tell one thing, currently He is the Serbian Church and is looked at this way by the majority of faithful in Serbia and Abroad. He is waiting for his fellow anti-ecumenist Hierarchs to leave the schismatic SP. Personally I belive that the GOC has left a bad impression on Most Serbs due to the actions of fr Akakios and Abbess Efrosyne. Maybe this. Last document from the Hierarchs of GOC regarding the situation in Serbia could change His mind for the better.
Leonidas, He was in your neigborhood a couple of weeks ago. Probably by the new year parishes outside of Serbia will be springing up commemorating Him which will be welcome.
Everything for Christ GOD ,but Christ for nothing.
Orthodoxy or Death.
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Despotovac wrote:jgress wrote:Thank you, Leonidas. Tryphon, I understand your concern about whether Met Paul gave his blessing and I think that's good enough for me not to ban you for continuing to pursue this argument, although as Leonidas pointed out this was not actually an instance where Met Paul's blessing was required.
Please explain to me whether any true orthodox christian who visited America and ask for help from someone who has nothing with the GOC Metropolis must have the blessing of the Met Paul's?
Nothing without the Bishops knowledge or blessing!
Being His Eminences guest it is proper etiquette to at least ask for His Blessing.
I will not comment any further on this subject. Spasebo
Everything for Christ GOD ,but Christ for nothing.
Orthodoxy or Death.
Death or Freedom faith in GOD
Tryphon wrote:Priest Siluan wrote:leonidas wrote:Regarding Bp. Artemius, please ask him when it will be when he plans on completing his undertaking in fighting ecumenism and join the GOC.
Excellent question, dear Leonidas.
I'll tell one thing, currently He is the Serbian Church and is looked at this way by the majority of faithful in Serbia and Abroad. He is waiting for his fellow anti-ecumenist Hierarchs to leave the schismatic SP. Personally I belive that the GOC has left a bad impression on Most Serbs due to the actions of fr Akakios and Abbess Efrosyne. Maybe this. Last document from the Hierarchs of GOC regarding the situation in Serbia could change His mind for the better.
Leonidas, He was in your neigborhood a couple of weeks ago. Probably by the new year parishes outside of Serbia will be springing up commemorating Him which will be welcome.
What nonsense!? On the contrary, the believers of Smederevo (Greek parishes in Serbia) go to him and telling him and his priests to he must to be baptized and ordained again and approached the the Greek GOC… Such views are considered extremely hostile and therefore Atremije likes only Cyprian of Oropos and Fili option.
Everything else is great stupidity and your personal enmity with Bishop Akakios which amounts tirelessly in this forum. As a result of this on each forum you would already be banned.
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hat nonsense!? On the contrary, the believers of Smederevo (Greek parishes in Serbia) go to him and telling him and his priests to he must to be baptized and ordained again and approached the the Greek GOC… Such views are considered extremely hostile and therefore Atremije likes only Cyprian of Oropos and Fili option.
Everything else is great stupidity and your personal enmity with Bishop Akakios which amounts tirelessly in this forum. As a result of this on each forum you would already be banned.[/quote]
My dear one, fr Akakios should have thought You a little better. Someone who is canonically baptized with 3 immersions/ and 3 emmersions does not get Baptized again. ArchBishop Artemije has spent His entire life in church,was born and raised in it. We know that He is from Saint Nikolai's hometown and that His teacher and spiritual Father was Saint Justin. Despotovac, You mightly contradict yourself in regards to serbs in Serbia and their Orthodoxy. For this one is to blame His parents and Grandparents for the falling away from the Orthodox faith and Her traditions. If You did not have an Orthodox name at Baptism and weren't properly Baptized ,or your Parents were not wedded in Church this does not mean that everyone else is as You. There are still Children of Saint Nikolai holding the word of Truth,who have kept the flame of Orthodoxy burning in Serbia.
You call ArchBishop Artemije a "Cyprianite" hurling insults without any proof,reminds Me of Your Friend Batushka Siluan, Him He can even be excused since He probably heard it from You,As for You Who do You serve? Because it certainly isn't the Heavenly Master.
Why do you constantly call for my banning??? Prove Me wrong. The truth hurts obviously; as for your fr Akakios,my concern is that He has caused a current schism but prior to that has infected and poisoned the minds of his followers concerning the GOC,Serbian Bishops,and the faithful of Serbian-GOC who had loyalty and honor to their Hierarchy.
September 3 is your chance to come to your senses if its possible and reunite yourselves from where you have broken off due to the sickness of Hero-worshipping and lust for power. May the master grant You wisdom.
I will pray that your presence will make an appearance before Archbishop Kallinikos and this sad episode will be corrected. Prayer and fasting is needed now, so I will try an not en flame your emotions with further comments. Spasebo
Everything for Christ GOD ,but Christ for nothing.
Orthodoxy or Death.
Death or Freedom faith in GOD
Despotovac wrote:jgress wrote:Thank you, Leonidas. Tryphon, I understand your concern about whether Met Paul gave his blessing and I think that's good enough for me not to ban you for continuing to pursue this argument, although as Leonidas pointed out this was not actually an instance where Met Paul's blessing was required.
Please explain to me whether any true orthodox christian who visited America and ask for help from someone who has nothing with the GOC Metropolis must have the blessing of the Met Paul's?
I don't know, but I think it might conceivably be a legitimate concern, which is why I'm giving Tryphon the benefit of the doubt here.
And I'm glad Leonidas challenged Tryphon on Bp Artemije. The problem the Greek GOC has is with Fr Akakije's consecration without our Synod's approval. It's not because we believe that there is already a true Orthodox bishop in Serbia called Artemije. On the contrary, we recognize all those of the STOC who didn't go along with Fr Akakije and remained under our jurisdiction. Bp Artemije is no more in our Church than Fr Akakije, and perhaps less so, since he continues to recognize all other World Orthodox jurisdictions.
