THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

[Suaidan]

This shows that Saint Philaret was cautious NOT to cause a schism even though the truth was on his side. Why not give the same benefit of doubt to Bp Artemy,He certainly has dealt with some shameless hierarchs who also would love to blow up Synods from within

But that's exactly what the Anathema against Ecumenism actually did. A quick look at ROCOR history from 1983-2007 is proof.

Why did He allow the russian churches in the Holy Land to serve on antimens given by the JP and allow commemoration of the same who was in communion with all the ecumenist WO jurisdictions including both the MP and SP?

The situation with the JP is complex, and I'd rather someone with the knowledge of experience explain it correctly. I was not there. Nor, I'd venture, were you.

Oh is it? Some would compare it with Sergianism. No of course we weren't there. We were with Saint Philaret,and putting words in His mouth!

Obviously, putting words in Saint's mouths is a source of amusement for you. If that is the case, I pity you. Now, let's be honest. I left for Orthodoxy in 1997-- 12 years after St Philaret reposed. My point is that I am not going to discuss the Holy Land politics as an external viewer. You, on the other hand, have no such problem. Don't quote me a Bishop, answer the question: were you in the Holy Land during St Philaret's tenure? My guess, just statistically, is a resounding no.

No, actually they are reaching out to Him. That's why I personally belive that the Akakian-clique acted as if they had a gun to their heads and HAD to have their Guru made a Bp No matter what the cost

So he isn't responding? Well, I guess I am sorry to hear that. It means he doesn't listen to reason, and still thinks, as most deluded World Orthodox, that he is in the Church "by proxy". There is canonical order, but if he believes he is "above" the True Orthodox Synods, he is in the same muck he was before he was retired.

He's ( akakios) only for family and blog-space Friends. You do realize that the majority of people who know Him were against His elevation.

I've never spoke to the man and don't live in Serbia. Are the majority of the people who know him in the SP?

[Tryphon]

This shows that Saint Philaret was cautious NOT to cause a schism even though the truth was on his side. Why not give the same benefit of doubt to Bp Artemy,He certainly has dealt with some shameless hierarchs who also would love to blow up Synods from within

But that's exactly what the Anathema against Ecumenism actually did. A quick look at ROCOR history from 1983-2007 is proof.
But wasn't He still in Communion with the Ecumenical minded Bishops within ROCOR Who even served at times with NC's?

Why did He allow the russian churches in the Holy Land to serve on antimens given by the JP and allow commemoration of the same who was in communion with all the ecumenist WO jurisdictions including both the MP and SP?

The situation with the JP is complex, and I'd rather someone with the knowledge of experience explain it correctly. I was not there. Nor, I'd venture, were you.

Oh is it? Some would compare it with Sergianism. No of course we weren't there. We were with Saint Philaret,and putting words in His mouth!

Obviously, putting words in Saint's mouths is a source of amusement for you. If that is the case, I pity you. Now, let's be honest. I left for Orthodoxy in 1997-- 12 years after St Philaret reposed. My point is that I am not going to discuss the Holy Land politics as an external viewer. You, on the other hand, have no such problem. Don't quote me a Bishop, answer the question: were you in the Holy Land during St Philaret's tenure? My guess, just statistically, is a resounding no.
The point is this,that even today not one Palestinian Nun can be made a Abbess due to the Jewish state not allowing it,and secondly all churches must commemorate the JP and serve on His antimens. I was making a correlation between Confessors of the faith who we up-lift and certain quite similar events which We quickly condem as ecumenists

No, actually they are reaching out to Him. That's why I personally belive that the Akakian-clique acted as if they had a gun to their heads and HAD to have their Guru made a Bp No matter what the cost

So he isn't responding? Well, I guess I am sorry to hear that. It means he doesn't listen to reason, and still thinks, as most deluded World Orthodox, that he is in the Church "by proxy". There is canonical order, but if he believes he is "above" the True Orthodox Synods, he is in the same muck he was before he was retired.
I did not say if He's responding or not. What I did say is that to many people and jurisdictions the historic serbian Church would be a great welcome addition. As for Him being stuck still in the muck,some would consider all the choices He has before Him.

He's ( akakios) only for family and blog-space Friends. You do realize that the majority of people who know Him were against His elevation.

I've never spoke to the man and don't live in Serbia. Are the majority of the people who know him in the SP?

Well the majority are from Greece and the Serbian-GOC. He is a child of GOD as we all are but His actions are quite reprehensible and cause spiritual death to all involved. The GOC it seems was quite gullible in whom they ordained and allowed to go to Serbia. They also hold a great responsibility before the Master in what has escalated. Just as Simon was born again through Baptism,but his heart stayed the same and He thought He could buy the gifts of GOD with money so have many unfortunate ones followed a similar path.

[sava]

Dear Tryphon,
Is it true that Bishop Artemije embraces the Cyprianite Ecclesiology?

[sava]

Tryphon says: ''He's ( akakios) only for family and blog-space Friends. You do realize that the majority of people who know Him were against His elevation.''

Dear Tryphon this is true but nor Ambitious Akakios neither unwise Tikhonites respected the will of the T.O.C of Serbia. The question is; WHY???

This is an ''artificial'' consecration without criteria!

[Despotovac]

Plus the obedience issue has nothing to do with Bp Artemije or any of the official Serbian Patriarchate. Bp Akakije hasn't been in obedience to them since he left Serbia for Mount Athos and joined the Zealots there. He was under de facto obedience to the GOC of Greece, but the question is whether he had the right to appeal to the RTOC on the grounds that Serbia technically remained an autocephalous jurisdiction.

Checking this years 2011 pocket calendar of the GOC on page 114,#12 whose name do we have as a Cleric belonging to the GOC?
My point is that since the temporary administration of the GOC hindered Akakios and that Serbs wouldn't want to be under a "Greek" Bishop,and the LOVE for His people burned within Him why not open a dialogue or show Open support to Bp Artemije?
Since when is it Canonical for a Young Hieromonk to live with young Nuns in a secluded dwelling? Akakios abandoned the missionary activities for which He was ordained. Years ago He took money from newly ordained Fr Joseph which was given to Him to buy land for a monastic dwelling and Akakios turns around and buys a jeep. When Fr Joseph left for Greece, it was repeated that He left without a blessing ? From Who was one needed? From ones lawful Bishop of course,which was granted. The Serbian communities have covered a whole lot of unsavory actions by this Akakian clique but now slowly things are coming to light.

It is very interesting, what some true Orthodox people do. When someone leaves some TOC synod, they begin to vent all "filth" and "crimes" of that one who was with them before. So, if they knew all these things, why were they silent? Thus, if these things are true, then they are accomplices, and if they are not true, then they lie.

Bishop Acacius took care of the exiled and persecuted nuns who asked him for help. He is among other things, the founder of the New Stjenik monastery. With his care that monastery is one of the most promising True Orthodox monasteries in the world. Remember the GOC's largest women's monasteries in Greece and their founders who were initially young monks with young nuns. Father Joseph was a monk at the monastery of Bishop Acacius. A monk can not own money. The money they gave parents the father of Joseph was spent on the needs of the monastery and the church because they did not have a car, and most parishes and monasteries are situated off roads and for this purpose was a necessary 4x4 vehicle.

[Despotovac]

Here are presented many lies. Bishop Akakije not ambitious. He sacrificed everything for revival of the Serbian Church. Even he accepted hierarchical rank when he seeing that otherwise can not fight with the Greek pretensions so harmful to the Serbian TOC. Most sincere believers Serbian TOC are with him. Greek TOC has tactical torn down the reputation of Bishop Akakije to suppress those who are fighting for independent Serbian TOC and Serbian bishop. The manipulations are now culminating in intimidation Serbian flock to such turn of events created a schism. For years ago the greek bishops abusing the episcopal authority against the Orthodox Serbs who truly had no chance to fight for the interests of the Serbian TOC in such unequal conditions. The Greeks used the division between the Serbs to establish its authority over Serbia and the Serbian TOC. This is truly a sad event when one local Church abuse the weakness of other local Church to implement its ambitions and the desire to noncanonical rule the other local church even in small proportions of true Orthodoxy. Greek TOC treats Serbian sister TOC as a missionary territory of Greek Church. Continuity of Serbian TOC with the historical Serbian Church Greek TOC does not recognize. Greece claims that the Serbian TOC was re-established from scratch by the Greek TOC and the Church in Serbia and the Serbian people enlightened again. These statements can accommodate a group of Serbs who have remained loyal to the Greek TOC, but the true believers of the Serbs and the Serbian Orthodox Church - NEVER. The future of the Greek group in Serbia has no perspective. This action of the Greeks and their supporters in Serbia is a historical shame and another black mark on the true orthodoxy. This is not only about the current Serbian TOC believers but also the future. It is known that a major obstacle for many clerics and believers of the official Serbian church was subordinating the Greek bishops and absence of true Orthodox Serbian bishop. Therefore, all these years True Orthodoxy in Serbia meter just over two hundred souls.

[mikejalex]

I trust that more and more information regarding Met. Kalinikos' synod becomes available for the interested seeker to examine.