THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Zilot_Constantinos wrote:
Priest Siluan wrote:
Ekklisiastikos wrote:

We pray to God, the "Serbian matter" won't constitute an obstacle to the forthcoming union of the Russian and Greek Orthodox Churches but to see these "neighbouring True Orthodox Churches to give the Serbian Church a bishop" in a joint concelebration in the near future as Vladimir wrote...

Amen and God may grant us such a great blessing!

AMIN!

My dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ, dear friends,

With a bit of fear and sadness I read about the differences between GOC-Kallinikos and the Serbian True Orthodox Church. For me, I can understand both sides and cause of it I want to remind all of us on this:

"The devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour " (1 Peter 5:8)

See, I belong to GOC-Kallinikos and I am very glad and happy that GOC and RTOC are trying to come closer together. The Serbian True Orthodox Church is our serbian sister church and we have to love them very much.

I have a very good friend who is a Priest from RTOC, also a Priest from STOC and clergy of Greek TOC are very good friends of mine. I feel very deep love for them all and they all are fighters for the true faith!

We all true orthodox need to strive for the unity of the true church of Christ. We may not jeopardize that unity, because we are the Church, the mystical Body of Christ, which is indivisible.

We true orthodox people are the last bastion against ecumenism, sergianism, modernism and all the garbage and we never may forget this! We all - the Greek TOC, Serbian TOC and Russian TOC have the same destination: The true and clean orthodox faith!


Православие или смерть! - Православље или смрт! - Ορθοδοξία ή Θάνατος!

Thank you for reading this and I hope you will get the meaning of this message.
I am a chief under the sinners. My words are nothing. compared with the words of true orthodox clergy.

May God's blessing be upon you all!

In love of Christ

Constantinos

My dear brothers and sisters, dear friends,

I would like to remind you of the need to remain united. The Church of G.O.C. of Greece and the Serbian True Orthodox Church The STOC wants to be autocephalous, for obvious reasons and the GOC is concerned that the STOC perhaps could not sustain itself alone at this time (as far as I know). Now the STOC has tried to get support from the Russian True Orthodox Church, which recognized their autocephalousy.
The Serbian True Orthodox Church was founded with the help of the Church of G.O.C. of Greece and the ever-blessed Archbishop Chrysostomos II of Athens and all Greece (memory eternal! +) told STOC, that the status of Greek protection would be temporary until STOC is fit enough to be autocephalous. From this point of view I can understand both sides.

I am totally sure there can be found a good solution for both sides, but it is necessary to sit down and talk together in a true orthodox spirit. Nobody shall permit it that true orthodox attack each others and serve the devil in this way.
I am nothing but a simple person but I imagine the following way of a solution:

  1. The G.O.C. continues to get into full and official communion with RTOC

  2. When step 1 is completely done, the G.O.C. gives STOC their own bishop (maybe a common consecration of a new Serbian bishop between GOC and RTOC could be a good idea, I do not know).

  3. G.O.C. and RTOC are helping together to let the STOC grow and keep them stable.

I know it sounds easier than it really is and I know I have no right to meddle in church politics, but these thoughts are only ideas for solution. Excuse my arrogance.

Is not love one of the basics of orthodox faith?

To keep in mind:

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Memory eternal! +

Regards in Christ

Constantinos

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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Despotovac wrote:

For whom, and for where the father Joseph consecrated if the side of archbishop Kalinik in Serbia already has one hieromonk - father Haralampie without brotherhood and parish. In the monastery of father Joseph also no exist brotherhood or parish. This looks like a artificially producing of clerics in the race with a group of father Akakios.

For whom, and for where father Akakios was consecrated at the beginning? fr. Joseph was consecrated for the same reasons that all the Serbian clerics were consecrated!For missionary work! For the reestablishment of the so called STOC.

The Orthodox Church of Serbia no longer exists due to the fall in the pan-heresy of Ecumenism. But let me clarify something. It is wrong to speak about ''Serbian'' or ''Russian'' or ''Greek'' Church. This a nationalistic view of the issue. It's something strange to the orthodox theological tradition. Apostle Paul says;'' There is neither Jew nor Greek there..''(Galatians 3:28) and ''You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.'' (Galatians 3:26). The One, Saint, Apostolic and Catholic Church which is the Orthodox Church belongs to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Who is the only Head of the Church. That's why we say; The Orthodox Church of Russia, or Serbia or Greece and only in a geographical meaning. So the words ''Greek'', ''Serbian'', ''Russian'' could only be understood as having only regional importance. But it would be better to be avoided because they lead to misinterpretation.

Now let's get to the point. Someone would expect from father Akakios to be more careful in his expressions and more prudent in his actions. Furthermore not to be easily entrained as a mindless child, by some sirens of British origin, which at last will lead him to disobedience, schism and his isolation from his brothers and his Bishops.

The genuine Orthodox priests of Serbia are "with the side of Archbishop Kallinikos" i.e. are under the Holy Synod of the GOC of Greece and thank you for admitting by this that fr. Akakios abandoned his missionary work for making rival sides, splitting the Serbian faithful and all this for making himself a bishop.

Obviously the "Serbian matter" it's a matter of fr. Akakios and his family i.e. his relatives in flesh and not of his spiritual family, the one he started establishing years ago.

Fr. Akakios, all these years was loyal and obedient to his lawful bishop (the then metropolitan Kallinikos, the one who baptized him, ordained him in a Greek territory and in a Greek monastery etc) and was performing his missionary work pretty good. Suddenly, after the arrival of his British counselor, fr. Akakios, like waking up from a coma he discovered that Serbia was ones an Autocephalic Church and there is a need, HE, to become a bishop. Couple years ago he was asking for a bishop (rightfully) no matter what nationality he was. But, the British troublemaker persuaded him (or better swelled his head with "the idea and fight for the interests of the Serbian Orthodox Church") , that fr. Akakios alone and his few supporters is an autocephalous independent Church and that HE, is the only candidate and the only capable for the steer of the future Orthodox Church in Serbia.

The question that arises is: Archbishop Kallinikos is obedient to his Synod. Respectively Arcbishop Tychon to his own. To whom fr. Akakios is obedient to?

And not only this. His lust for satisfaction of his episcopal ambitions with the help of RTOC, totally in violation of the sacred canons, will definitely put in danger (not to say an end) to the unitary process with the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece.

Fr. Akakios has now perhaps his last and golden chance to think calmly and seriously and return to the obedience to his bishop and The Holy Synod and to continue his missionary work if he wants to have the blessing if God in his life.

P.S: No answer yet not even an argument to Ekklisiastikos' previous posts by "Despotovac", fr. Akakios, fr. Stephan or whoever else from the admitted "akakian clique"..interesting!

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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Dear Sava,
you have arguments, but what else can we say for the ungratefulness that the Serbs brothers and nuns around fr. Akakios are showing towards the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece? Because all these years the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece had nothing to earn from Serbia but the joy that they help orthodox brothers in Crist. On the contrary the so called akakians and especially mother Euphrosyna, don't even take in account the profits they made out of their trips to USA and the charities the greek parishes organised in favor of their monasteries. We feel deeply sorry for the turn the matter took.There is a greek saying: Τhere isn't other more predictable enemy than the UNGRATEFUL person you have helped.

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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Appeal from the STOC to the RTOC (from NFTU):

Holy Synod of Bishops of the Russian True Orthodox Church

Your Eminence, Your Grace, Holy Hierarchs of the Russian True Orthodox Church

We truly Orthodox Christian Serbia will turn to for help with renewed canonical episcopate in our homeland mnogostradalnoj Serbia. As you know after the Second World War and the communist revolution, the Serbian Church hierarchy fell into apostasy and the pan-heresy of ecumenism sergijanizma.In the mid nineties in Serbia appeared True Orthodox Christian movement led by hieromonk Acacius who help turn the original Greek Starokalendarskom Synod presided by Archbishop Chrysostomos of blessed memory. From the Greek CPI us assisted in the ordination of clergy and supply antimisima and Holy Miron. Already during the first year we knew that the Greek bishop is away from us a thousand miles can not manage the life of the Serbian Church. Even then we are of the Greek Synod asked for Serbia to Serbian bishop ordained. But nevertheless the Greek bishops to these our search remained immobile. The situation in Serbia is due this year worsened, and the mission of true Orthodoxy was prevented by the fact that the Serbian people can not accept that Serbia and the Serbian Church manages Greek bishop. Moreover, interruption of communication with the formal annexation of the Serbian church, and true Orthodoxy interpreted as a transition from the Serbian Church in Greece. Unfortunately, this assumption is now confirmed by the Greeks themselves irresponsible statements.

Now the official position of the Greek Bishops that we have no points of contact with the Serbian Church and that their help, we pointed out, means the annexation of our Church of Greece and that the canonical territory of the jurisdiction of Serbian local Church now their missionary field for us Serbs is absolutely unacceptable.

Due to this situation and the reluctance of the Greek Bishops us out to meet me you are addressing:

Hoping that you will understand what kind of a difficult situation is a little flock of True Orthodox Christians of Serbia, humbly we ask you to give us the true needs of Serbian Orthodox Church ordained to the rank of bishop designated for Serbia, for our part of the proposed candidates, the founders of the True Orthodox monk in Serbia Acacius (Stankovic), which is already more than a decade, suggested by us as a candidate for the Serbian bishop CPI.

(When the assembled clergy, parishes and monasteries that are more than a decade of fighting for a bishop for the Serbian IPC):

(Signatures follow)
Signatures of the clergy:

Hieromonk Akakije (Stankovic)

Hieromonk Nektarios (Ivankovic)

Presbyter Stefan Nikolic

The signatures of representatives of parishes and monasteries:

Belgrade Parish

Novi Sad parish

Niska Parish

Monastery of Saints Cyril and Methodius

Monastery of Novi-Stjenik

Ephrem Cummings, Subdeacon
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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

Post by Ekklisiastikos »

Despotovac wrote:

Fri 16 May 2008 9:36 pm:
About Archbishop Tikhon and the Russian True Orthodox Church. The Serbian True Orthodox Church has saluted the idea of the union of two True Orthodox Synods: Greek and Russian. If the union of the two Churches does become reality, the Serbian True Orthodox faithful will ask to move to the temporary rule of Russian bishops, who are closer to the Serbian people because of their Slavic origin and whose language is less of an obstacle than Greek. And then the ordination of a Serbian bishop may become much closer to reality.

Brother Stefan from Despotovac, Serbia

Well, fr. Stephan maybe you've forgotten the virtue of patience. Fr. Akakios' ambitions, finally, put an end to the unitary process, damaged and destroyed irreparably the forthocming godpleasing good and proved that the Russians are naive and not that serious !

Now you built on:
UNGRATEFULNESS, DISOBEDIENCE, SICK ETHNICISM & SCHISM

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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Ekklisiastikos wrote:

Well, fr. Stephan maybe you've forgotten the virtue of patience. Fr. Akakios' ambitions, finally, put an end to the unitary process, damaged and destroyed irreparably the forthocming godpleasing good and proved that the Russians are naive and not that serious !

Now you built on:
UNGRATEFULNESS, DISOBEDIENCE, SICK ETHNICISM & SCHISM

I am not sure how one Synod making Bishops for another local Church when another Synod won't makes the receiving local Church "ungrateful, disobedient, sick ethnic, or schismatic".

To my knowledge, RTOC, while not in communion with the GOC, is pretty close to them. Both Synods are in full agreement on ecclesiology. Making a Bishop for Serbia does not seem to me a reason to use this sort of invective. The Church has historically weathered such scenarios fairly easily, and maybe this might actually work out for the best. If, however, the GOC begins condemning the RTOC's move it could have disastrous results for all involved.

I would hope it doesn't descend to that level, though it appears such may be occurring. It's not too late to change that!

Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)

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