Interesting note about Fr Ambrose Mooney (ROCOR-MP)

[Suaidan]

Aside from finally confirming what I initially believed to be the case, in what substantive way has my argument changed?

In Christ,

Jason

What a deceptive line of reasoning. I am glad that in your quotes, you have now successfully established you are offering guesses. So much for theory, conspiracy or otherwise.

Besides giving what we normally call "false leads" such as the implication that the entire list was moderated:

"For what its worth, on three separate occasions between May and July of last year I emailed Seraphim because my messages were also not appearing right away, but were rather taking 15 hrs or a few days or more to appear. Seraphim did not respond to any of these emails, but he may have responded by allowing my posts to appear. When my posts did appear, this didn’t happen immediately after notifying him, which again doesn’t surprise me because I don’t think he checks the email account regularly. On this list, Seraphim has indicated that when a person is new, or if they have changed their username, the system automatically places them on review for a period of time, which I think means that messages do not appear until the moderator gives permission for them to appear."

(http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... t=7#p50408)

I then pointed to a message indicating not only that there is supposedly no regular moderation, but that my account has not changed in years. Your claim then became firmly "since 2009".

And further, that there were no moderators besides Seraphim:

"Who do you think these assistant moderators are? Looking over some past messages from Seraphim on the List regarding moderatorial actions, I see no indication at all that there are other moderators besides Seraphim. If you look at the archives, in recent years when he has banned members, he has made formal announcements to this effect, and the reason for these actions have rarely been debated because it is usually very obvious that the person moderated is breaking list rules and behaving in a very unseemly manner, regardless of their ecclesiology or affiliation. Again, if you look at the archives you will see that he laments not have a “board of moderators” to consult with, which obviously leaves him open to accusations of bias. So, I think there is little reason to believe that other moderators are involved, but if you believe this then who do you think is serving in this capacity?"

(ibid)

I then pointed out another moderator who existed, and you admitted same, even his last name, went to his last visible message, and worked from there. The problem is that you have not demonstrated that he is no longer a moderator, but now brazenly claim Seraphim is the only moderator, such as at the outset, which has been demonstrated to be a lie. All you have done is brushed away the historical existence of other moderators and an advisory board I was once privy to.

AND FURTHER, that what occurs on Paradosis occurs on a vice-versa basis with other lists, when in fact it was about list violations.

Your story is changing, Jason. You just don't wish to admit it in light of documented facts and my own experience.

You have a job to do, of course.

[JHunt777]

Aside from finally confirming what I initially believed to be the case, in what substantive way has my argument changed?

In Christ,

Jason

What a deceptive line of reasoning. I am glad that in your quotes, you have now successfully established you are offering guesses.

I doubted your claims that you are being moderated on the OT List, that there is a conspiracy by unknown and unnamed moderators against TOC/GOC participants on that list, etc. While waiting to hear back from the moderator of the list, I offered what I thought was a reasonable explanation for why I believed your claims to be without foundation. I also offered what I thought was a reasonable explanation for why your posts do not appear right away, and in all these cases I did not merely “guess”, but provided references to past posts so that you could see the basis for my assertions. I still do not know about your status on the list and whether you are moderated (you can ask the moderator yourself), but Seraphim has directly informed me that he is the only moderator and there are no others. He has also confirmed that he has made every attempt to allow the free expression of views from TOC/GOC members and non-TOC/GOC members, as long as both parties respect the list rules. So, that there is no conspiracy against the TOC/GOC members, that there are not additional moderators other than Seraphim, and that the list is hardly moderate - these are all established and confirmed facts and not guesses. If you go to the list, you will see that there are still TOC/GOC members who freely and repeatedly condemn “World Orthodoxy” and the MP in the harshest of terms and to their hearts' content.

I then pointed out another moderator who existed, and you admitted same, even his last name, went to his last visible message, and worked from there. The problem is that you have not demonstrated that he is no longer a moderator, but now brazenly claim Seraphim is the only moderator, such as at the outset, which has been demonstrated to be a lie. All you have done is brushed away the historical existence of other moderators and an advisory board I was once privy to.

Seraphim told me last week that Seraphim is the only moderator, that there are no other moderators, and that in the past he tried to establish an advisory board but was never successful with this. The “historical existence of other moderators” is of no consequence to this discussion, because you were making claims about the list in the present tense. As far as I can tell, when members have been banned, this action has been followed by an open announcement to that effect on the list. On the other thread you have started on this present list, perhaps TOC/GOC members can chime in who believe they were removed from the other list unfairly and without violating list rules, and secretly, merely because of their ecclesiology. The list of people should be quite long if your assertions have any basis.

But what happened to your claim that:

I know he has MP moderators working with him”
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9228&start=7#p50409

What evidence do you have for this?

You have a job to do, of course.

And what is that?

In Christ,

Jason