Archbishop GREGORY of Denver and Colorado

[Liudmilla]

Seems to me the best thing would be if you let me have the last word......

DROP THIS TOPIC AND MOVE ON...........Thank you!

Milla

[Suaidan]

Why does the Lamian Synod want nothing to do with him?

Theophan.

They're joining him. I can't believe how much false information exists on the internet.

Fine. Give us a phone number for a priest of the Makarios Synod saying that the document that came from the secretary of the Synod is a forgery; or that the Synod recognizes Gregory. ANY PHONE NUMBER. ANY ADDRESS.

It appears even official documentation is "false information"?

[Suaidan]

Joseph claimed the canon prohibiting laymen to leave their bishops was rejected by Orthodox synods.

Are you lying very obviously on this thread, or simply not reading? I have now reiterated the point twice concerning the "Apostolic Constitutions", and suddenly you are getting the "canon" I am discussing wrong, and accusing me of something I NEVER SAID.

My Response: And which synod was that - Bozo, Porky Pig, and Bugs Bunny? Its just as fictional a 'synod' as they are.

No different than Gregory, Ambrose, and George-to-be. Totally redefines "Looney Tunes".

NO SYNOD ever rejected that canon. In fact, that Synod of St. Photios and the other Patriarchs of Christendom in the late 9th century is the very last that issued canons (rather than anathemas) that Orthodoxy uses (its also called "the 8th Ecumenical Council" by St. Mark of Ephesus and it was also accepted as such by Rome until the late 11th century), so it would be very interesting to see what synod you claim 'rejected' Canon 13 of the 1st-&-2nd Council.

Wow, that's pretty impressive. You don't read anything I write and are answering things I never said. We can assume this is their demented version of correspondence seminary.

Please reread the canon I cited. I was responding NOT to the question of Canon XIII of 1/2nd, but the "Apostolic Constitutions" that John Watts cited on consecrating another Bishop

Please supply me with the Synod's name, date, and statement in exact quotation with proper citation. Either you will refuse because you can't supply a non-existent synod and statement, or you will fib and I'll be able to prove its a fib.

Gregorian technique #523: When lacking answer, attempt to turn it around on your opponent, and fail miserably.

I never said canon XIII of 1/2 was rejected. I was referring to the "Apostolic Constitutions" that John Watts cited. That was rejected. I quoted and cited the canon that rejected Watts' citation.

In response, you accuse me of saying the exact same thing on the wrong canon.

I'm finished with you Suaiden. You have completely discredited yourself. I can't take anything you say seriously.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hasta la pasta! Later!

[Incognito1583]

Does anyone know why Gregory was excommunicated from the Kiousis synod? I once emailed a priest who was supposed to have answers, but as far as I can tell he never answered.

Even though Gregory has been excommunicated in the past, does he have grace? His apostolic succession comes from ROCA and he's never been deposed [I don't believe].

[Incognito1583]

If the Synod reduces His Eminence to a monk or a layperson I will NOT accept that. That is the most they could do. And if I were Archbishop Gregory I would be looking for another jurisdiction right about now. The hierarchs in Russia are acting kind-of loopy don't you think? It's all just wierd

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexis

Did Gregory teach you this lesson about disobedience to eccelsiastical authority? You will "NOT accept that? wow.

I read most of these posts lastnight. I have a few comments. First, I simply don't trust Gregory. For all I know he dictated what his apologists wrote. Second, I was amazed at all the judgementalism here. Third, Gregory's group does not meet the criteria for either a social or theological cult. I have studied cultism. Gregory does not keep people against their will, and he does not hold to any heretical teachings. He is not a cult.

[Incognito1583]

And the fact that most of the links on this thread are now invalid, only goes to prove how unstable traditionalists are. They put up an article one day and cancel it the next.

[Suaidan]

Third, Gregory's group does not meet the criteria for either a social or theological cult. I have studied cultism. Gregory does not keep people against their will,

This is false, as anyone formerly under him will gladly tell you. You may have studied cultism, but you have not studied Gregory.

and he does not hold to any heretical teachings. He is not a cult.

He is, like HTM, renovationist in his leanings.