St. Gregory

[Ekaterina]

Constantine:

Can you please tell me what recent (as in the last ten years or so) proclaimed everyone and everything a heretic or a heresy as per your pronouncements? Or is this something that the armchair theologians of the world dreamed up?

Also, odd little thing about all those saints you all seem to quote so frequently in defense of your actions. For all their writings about their positions, I don't seem to recall even ONE who broke away and formed his own jurisdiction. I think they all worked within the system to fix the problems and did not form their own "True" Churchs.

Odd little fact that seems to escape everyone......

Katya

[Sean]

Or is this something that the armchair theologians of the world dreamed up?

Physician heal thyself.

[Ekaterina]

Sean:

Thank you for you sentiment, but you have evaded the questions asked. (Seems like you guys always take this tactic).

So I repeat ....what recent counsel pronounced the heresies you all pile up on just about everyone?

And which of the saints, which you all quote so frequently, left and formed his own version of the "True Church"?

Please don't evade the questions asked in all sincerity.

Katya

[Constantine]

Dear Ekaterina, you seem to equate Orthodoxy with titles, just because you place yourself under the MP, EP or whoever, does not make you Orthodox, monophysites call themselves Orthodox and they are schismatic heretics. We teach what has been taught since the Orthodox church was established, your hierarchs have cut themselves off from the church by accepting and preaching innovations and preaching and accepting teachings that have been anathematized. It is like a branch of a tree that is rotten and falls off the tree and all of a sudden starts screaming at the tree you fell off of me, you are no longer the tree. We have not changed you have, so either we are wrong and all the Saints canons and ecumenical councils are wrong with us or we are right and the EP freemason bartholomew is wrong, you choose, how does anyone with half a mind place themselves under a freemason, freemasonary is anathematized on Orthodoxy Sunday. In order for one to be Orthodox one must be Orthodox, Orthodox Bishops do not pray with women priests, muslims, buddhists, and say there is grace in rc schismatic heretical churches, these are all things the EP have done. I am not a theologian, I am a Orthodox Christian and if I remain silent while people attack the Orthodox church I am guilty before God. Please realize what you are doing by posting these attacks on the Orthodox Church, all of us will have to give account to God for EVERY word spoken or TYPED.

[Constantine]

When St Maximos was asked where is the Orthodox church, he pointed to himself and those with him, a group of monks constituted the Orthodox church at that point, why? Because they had a Orthodox confession of faith as was handed down to them and that allowed them to commune with the Saints, and the Holy Trinity, the very same "people" who handed down that Orthodox confession of faith to St Maximos.

[Ekaterina]

Constantine:

Thank you for you analysis of your assumption of my position, however, neither you or Sean have answered my question. All you gave is more evasion. Please tell me what recent council declared the heresies which you and other of your kind have piled upon the rest of us. When and where did it occur and where may I read it's declaration?

As to your example of St Maximus, a great and reveried saint to be sure, but, as I have stated before. he did not go out and form his own jurisdiction but worked within the system to fix whatever problems there were. He did not form his own "True Orthodox Church" in the manner that you people advocate.

So I ask again that you answer the questions posed.....I suspect that you cannot...

Katya

[Constantine]

Dear Katya, if you read my post the answer is there, if we have not inovated and the ep has, who is the new sect in regards to Orthodoxy? Titles do dont make you Orthodox, your confession of faith makes you Orthodox. You are right St Maximos did not form his own true Orthodox branch he just maintained what was handed down to him, while the Patriarchs inovated, so he cut communion with them and because he held a Orthodox confession of faith, he was the church, and the Ecumenical patriarch was outside of the church because he did not have a Orthodox confession of faith. I hope this helps.

Constantine