Sergianism and politeness.

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Sergianism and politeness.

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The Sergianists on this list tend to appear or geniunely are well mannered, calm and thoughtful. The closest thing we had to someone more representive of Sergianism as a whole has been banned quite a long time now (Rostislav). A Moldovan friend of mine told me recently that a "Russian" pulled a gun on her for speaking her own language to a friend and told her "to speak human and stop barking like a dog", his Orthodox cross swinging on a chain around his kneck. Now who can imagine Katya doing such a thing for instance? Maybe it is time to bring back Rostislav so that we can get a better understanding of what Sergianism and Sergianists are (though even he is Sergianism-lite).

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Theophan:

I think Katya has a better understanding of what it is to be Orthodoxy than you.

I cannot believe the depth that this site has fallen...it is no longer about Orthodoxy. It is more Donaist that the Donaists themselves.

Lord have mercy on us all.

And this is certainly not Orthodoxy.

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GOCTheophan wrote:

The Sergianists on this list tend to appear or geniunely are well mannered, calm and thoughtful. The closest thing we had to someone more representive of Sergianism as a whole has been banned quite a long time now (Rostislav). A Moldovan friend of mine told me recently that a "Russian" pulled a gun on her for speaking her own language to a friend and told her "to speak human and stop barking like a dog", his Orthodox cross swinging on a chain around his kneck. Now who can imagine Katya doing such a thing for instance? Maybe it is time to bring back Rostislav so that we can get a better understanding of what Sergianism and Sergianists are (though even he is Sergianism-lite).

Theophan.

It seems the crazies are running the asylum these days. I have little doubt that a psychologist/psychiatrist browsing these forums could interpret the brand of false "traditionalism" found on this board to be a type of psychosis. Seek professional help.

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pjhatala wrote:

It seems the crazies are running the asylum these days. I have little doubt that a psychologist/psychiatrist browsing these forums could interpret the brand of false "traditionalism" found on this board to be a type of psychosis. Seek professional help.

Well I hope your post is not removed as sadly was your last one.

Indeed that someone would anathemize those in Communion with certain heretics and yet be proud to be in full Communion with those heretics could easily be seen as a bit mad- though for some to do such is the test of sanity.

Two interesting videos that might enlighten us about the real nature of Sergianism.

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Liudmilla wrote:

Theophan:

I think Katya has a better understanding of what it is to be Orthodoxy than you.

I cannot believe the depth that this site has fallen...it is no longer about Orthodoxy. It is more Donaist that the Donaists themselves.

Lord have mercy on us all.

And this is certainly not Orthodoxy.

Liudmilla.

Dear Liudmilla,

I was not questioning Katya's understanding of Orthodoxy.

Could you please explain to me what you mean by Donaist as people seem to have different understandings of that word? Does anyone have the Anathema of the Orthodox Church aganist Donatism so that we can see if anyone here falls under it?

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So Theophan, does this mean that you are finally going to answer the question I have been asking all these months?

Where is this "True church" you all keep talking about? Where do I go to find it? What City? What building?

Katya

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Perhaps this forum is the Church now? Hmm...
I often get the feeling that the most extreme members of the World Wide Orthodox Web have little contact with other Orthodox people in "real time". They also seem to live in areas with little Orthodox presence. This must make it easier to set up imaginary heretics, enemies of the Church ,etc. when they exist as an abstract idea.

On the Donatist Heresy.
From "The Christian Tradition," Jaroslav Pelikan, pp. 308-09.

Donatism charged that the mediation of grace through the church and the sacraments was vitiated when the administrator of the sacraments had lost his
Christian perfection through a serious fall. Augustine's case against Donatism
had been stated fully and repeatedly and had become official church teaching at
the Conference of Carthage in May 411. Beyond the many questions of church
organization, religious persecution, and even social and tribal rivalry raised by
Donatism, the central doctrinal question was: What is the causal connection
between grace and perfection, or between the unity of the church and the
holiness of the church? The Donatist answer to the question was simple and, at least
upon first examination, consistent. "By doing violence to that which is
holy," said Petilian, "you cut asunder the bond of unity." Donatism was no less
insistent than Augustine that there could be only one church. The Donatists also
laid claim to the title "catholic," which theydenied to anyone else. But they
made the unity and the catholicity of the church contingent upon its prior
holiness. Therefore they demanded that the church be purged of those among its
clergy and bishops who had been guilty of betraying the faith under
persecution. Only that church was a true church in which the "communion of saints" was a
communion of genuine, perfect saints. And the only church that met this
qualification was the Donatist community; it alone had true unity, for it alone
had true holiness. Likewise, it alone had the sacraments. "There is," said one
Donatist bishop, "one baptism, which belongs to the church; and where there is
no church, there cannot be any baptism either." The moral pollution of the
church's bishops by the mortal sin of apostasy invalidated the ordinations they
performed, canceled the efficacy of the baptism administered by their clergy,
deprived the church of its requisite holiness, and thereby brought on the fall
of the church. In the name of this demand for holiness, the Donatists felt
obliged to separate themselves from the vast body of those who called themselves
catholic Christians; for there could be no fellowship between the church of
Christ (the Donatists) and the synagogue of Satan (the Catholics).

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