GREAT NEWS! GOC-CII and SiR

[Cyprian]

Dear Theophan,

Would you please supply us with a reference or some documentation where RTOC has officially anathematized Kyprianism?

This would be very welcome news to me, indeed.

Cyprian

P.S. I am very suspicious of this supposed "dialogue" between the GOC-CII and the Kyprianites, but of course we will have to wait until they conclude before passing any definitive judgment.

Dialogue is not really needed. The Kyprianites for decades now have known full well the differences betwen their heretical ecclesiology and that of the Church. The only thing that needs discussion is how to facilitate their repentance from their errors, thereby forming a path of union to the Church of Christ.

A number of their so-called "bishops" are not fit to even be called Christians, let alone bishops. These bishops who advocate on behalf of Harry Potter are clearly under the influence of the demons.

As I said, I am deeply suspicious of these talks, but we will see soon enough what becomes of them, won't we?

[L.M.P.]

We have to consider the very real possibility that the kyprianites are doing this in order to derail talks between the GOC and RTOC who have recently anathemized Kyprianism and the Papal Calendar.

Theophan.

No, this is NOT true ! From what I have been told, both sides are sincerely looking forward to come to a conclusion. Besides the "amiable visit" by Archbishop Chrysostomos to Met. Cyprian and their commitment to inaugurate a dialogue was long before the visit of bishop Photios to RTOC Tychon..! Moreover they (GOC-CII) were the ones who had informed SiR for their talks with RTOC. SiR didn't find that out from internet or elsewhere. This tells a lot about the relations they have established !

[GOCTheophan]

Moreover they (GOC-CII) were the ones who had informed SiR for their talks with RTOC. SiR didn't find that out from internet or elsewhere. This tells a lot about the relations they have established !

And the SiR is not only in full Communion with former Comsomol leader Agafangel but has made "Bishops" for him who is involved in the persecuation of RTOC! Look the plan of the Freemasons is unite all the Old Calendarists under the SiR and than make them a "Traditionalist" ghetto of the state Church. Of course there are forces within the GOC-CII-some sinister, some niave, some simply tired of the disrespect shown towards us by World Orthodox- who would be over joyed to unite with the "influential" (in purely worldly terms and only among those who have no claim at all to being Orthodox!) Kyprian. If "strong and friendly" relations have been established with that group to the extent that you have made out than a lot of people who were not before are now in danger( and I for do not believe this to be so).

Look this is not great news at all in terms of creating Orthodox unity. Indeed it will cause the rift between us and the Lamians and the Matthewites who are ORTHODOX to deepen. Can you not see that?

Theophan.

[L.M.P.]

the plan of the Freemasons is unite all the Old Calendarists under the SiR and than make them a "Traditionalist" ghetto of the state Church. If "strong and friendly" relations have been established with that group to the extent that you have made out than a lot of people who were not before are now in danger( and I for do not believe this to be so).

Look this is not great news at all in terms of creating Orthodox unity. Indeed it will cause the rift between us and the Lamians and the Matthewites who are ORTHODOX to deepen. Can you not see that?

Theophan.

Forgive me but this is totally NONSENSE ! What's the canonical status of the "Lamians" ???? They are an IMMITATION. Kind of tsarlatans.. How can Archbishop Chrysostomos attend a dialogue with someone who pretends to be an archbishop instead of him? On the other hand, the SiR told to Archbishop, that they recognise him as the only legitimate Archbishop and they were always considered themselves as a "self-governed" community which is resisting against this and that..

For your information, the monk Makarios Kavakides paied also an "amiable visit" to Met. Kyprianos just a few days ago, immitating Arch. Chrysostomos (as always..), and asked too for a dialogue with the SiR. His request was unanimously TURNED DOWN !

I'm as well as you not in favor of Agafanfel, but this doesn't urge me to be against the SiR . And if the Greeks achieve a union amongst the Russian groups in the future through their union ? It's a possibility.

[Jean-Serge]

What's the canonical status of the "Lamians" ???? They are an IMMITATION. Kind of tsarlatans..

What is the canonical status of the Cyprianists? They come from a schism and secret consecration and hold a heretical ecclesiology... and do not show any sigh towards renoucing this heresy.

[L.M.P.]

What is the canonical status of the Cyprianists? They come from a schism and secret consecration and hold a heretical ecclesiology... and do not show any sigh towards renoucing this heresy.

You may not have a sign towards renouncing their false ecclesiology (not heresy, not false dogma..), but let those who are conducting these dioalogues, to know better than you that SiR is willing to repent and correct their ecclesiology anytime they get a canonical and substantially proved ecclesiology by the GOCs.

And that is, that makes the big difference between them and Makarios..! It's not a problem where you come from (schism=true, secret consecrations=false) , but how you try to achieve the best for the church. Cyprianites somehow may accept that they originate from a shism, but Makarios considers his pseydo synod as legitimate and all these years keeps asking for dialogue from the "fallen" (according to him) GOCs??? Why? It sounds weird to ask dialogue from the "fallen"..

On the other hand, all these past years, the SiR didn't elect an archbishop (despite the fact they had every reason to do this..) and their bishops do not have actuall metropolises. They all are titulars with nominal episcopates because they didn't want to intervene into the real Church's juridiction and metropolises, waiting (resisting..)for something to change in this sorrowful situation (these were their actual words in the meeting).Having Auxentios as Archbishop those years, it wasn't something pleasant. Also, they moved on consecrations because their pastoral demands and needs were growing.

However Makarios couldn't wait longer to get self-elevated to Archbishopric, to establish his office in the same building of the GOCs and last but not least to copy the name of the Church (Ecclesia GOC Ellados) and to pretend to be canonical...!
HUGE DIFFERENCE between the two perspectives of these two schisms.

Moreover you have to live in Greece in order to get a more global view of the situation and get better know how underhandedly Makarios works so as to servive and how much everytime redicules himself..! It's so sad for a such well educated person but with so poor spirituality.

It's already a common truth that Makarios has become the rubbish bin of the GOCs , something like what Auxentios was for the New Calendarists....

[Jean-Serge]

The cyprianist do not have an archbishop of Athens because they regard the archbishop of the new calendarist church as the archbishop of Athens. Indeed, for them the new calendarist church is simply ailing, but still a church. Moreover, numerically speaking, the cyprianist represent nothing in Greece and have recognised giving communion to heretic new calendarist for "pastoral reasons"