Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

[Constantine]

Dear Peter, what happens when you have a nice glass of water and you put a single drop of ink in it. The water becomes black. This is what happens when orthodox prey with heretics. The church cannot be lowered down to heretics, heretics must repent and be lifted to the heights of the church. As it says in the rudder to pray with heretics and go to their churches causes great scandal AGAINST the Orthodox church. Do you really believe the ecumenical councils, holy fathers of the church, and saints, did not want heretics to return to the Orthodox church. Do you believe that the freemason Bartholomew, has more love for people, than the Saints of the Orthodox Church. As soon as scoba, the EP, MP or whoevers actions,teachings contradict the orthodox church they cease to be Orthodox. In order to be Orthodox one must behave Orthodox. Please Peter, rethink what you are saying as we must all give account for what we say AND how our words scandelize others. I mean no offense to you, and hope you do not interpet this in that manner.

Constantine

[Jean-Serge]

Peter, do you know what is your double speech.

Officially, world orthodoxy says Orthodoxy is the unique true church.

After that, it says heretical churches have valid mysteries (which is entirly false and furthermore in contradiction with the canons, for instance canon 46 and 47 of the Apostles). For instance, in the Covenant agreement in Australia, EP, the Romanian church and the Antiochians recognizes all christian baptisms.

As regards dialogue between Traditionnalist and catholics, as far as we can, we do missionary work to save souls... It is not through institutional dialogue that you save souls and that you help the modest heretical layman realise he is in heresy... It is talking directly to him by missionary work... On the contrary, official orthodox churches refuse missionary work in what they consider as the Catholic territory... Since the latin church is not a church, he has no cononical territory. I have many examples here in Europe of people who were catholic, asked to become orthodox but were detered from this by the world orthodox clergy. By doing this, the implicitely say that the orthodox church is not the unique church...

You also say : "You want to know how many private messages I've received from people on this board that have thanked me for being here and talking with you? "

For Esphigmenou : the canons of Prime Second allow to cease commemoration of the bishop for a question of faith, until he comes before a ecclesiastic court. But now try to have your bishop judged. The protest are not even examined and you get no single answer. Many have tried this in different church, it is the same.

Well, I hope your mysterious interlocutors will write some words directly on this board to show their support.

I really advise you to read the canons (the Pedalion)

[Papoutsis1]

I would advise you to read the Gospel its in something we Orthodox Christian call the New Testament.

God Bless

Peter

PS Gospel trumps Canons

[Jean-Serge]

There is no opposition between canons and gospel. It is for the sake of the heretics that we do not pray with in order that they are nt supported in their wrongs beliefs...

[Papoutsis1]

Again, I go back to St. Basil and how he dealt with the Arian priest under him.

Mercy and Grace trumps Legalism. That unfortunately is you mistake.

Listen you make good points, and we should never compromise our Orthodox Faith, but I'm not an extremist or fundamentalist in my approach to our faith.

In any event Saracosti started as few days ago and I want to offer my apologies to any and all I offended. Lets all have a good lent and let God, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ illuminate our hearts and prepare our souls for Holy Week and Pascha.

May God Bless all of you and keep you and may we all go into this Lenten season with humility and love.

Peter A. Papoutsis

[Jean-Serge]

Again, I go back to St. Basil and how he dealt with the Arian priest under him.

First of all, I should check is this story is true because Bishop Hilarion is well known for being an ecumenist, able to say anything to support his opinion. Moreover, theses priests were under him and commeorated him... Formally, they belonged to the same church. As far as I know, catholics and orthodox do not belong to the same churc. And above all, even saints make mistakes...

[Papoutsis1]

Ok, listen if you want to believe what you want to believ that's fine, but answer the question and don't dodge it.

This can't be true because he's an Ecumenist, an Atheist, a Freemason, a known Liar, and my all time favorite, he's a JEW!

That's not an argument, that a cope out.

Why is he a liar?

When you say Ecumenist does that equate with liar? WHAT!?

Ugh.

Bye

Peter