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Schismatic Monks

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I believe these are the schismatic and heretical monks who have broken canon law and are in direct definance of their Bishop the Ecumenical Patriarch:

Wikipedia Article

Esphigmenou has been involved in a decades long dispute with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, the 19 other Athonite monasteries, as well as the Church of Greece and other mainstream Orthodox churches and institutions.

The monastic community of Mount Athos is under the direct spiritual jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch and all Athonite monks are canonically required to commemorate (Greek: να μνημονεύουν) the Patriarch. However, since the 1970's Esphigmenou has become the stronghold for the staunchly conservative Greek Old Calendarists who accuse the Patriarchate of being ecumenist and refuse to commemorate the Patriarch. These accusations stem from the conciliatory approach that has been adopted by the Ecumenical Patriarchate towards the Roman Catholic Church, as manifested by meetings of the Ecumenical Patriarch with the Pope, such as the 2006 papal visit to the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul.

The monks of the monastery have broken all spiritual ties with the rest of the monastic community and do not participate in the common meetings at Karyes, the administrative center of Athos. The Esphigmenites are generally regarded as zealots by the rest of the Athonite community, while they regard themselves as "Genuine Orthodox Christians" or "Orthodox Christians in Resistance", seeing other Athonites as ecumenist heretics, while using as their motto the phrase Orthodoxy or Death.

The relationship between the Esphigmenites and the Ecumenical Patriarchate have greatly deteriorated since 2002, when Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople declared them as being in schism with the Orthodox Church.[1] Since the Constitution of Greece prohibits schismatics from dwelling in Athos, the Esphigmenites were ordered by a Thessaloniki court to leave the monastery. However they refused to comply, even when the Greek Supreme Court ordered their eviction. [2]

The Ecumenical Patriarch and the rest of the Athonite community reacted by declaring the Esphigmenites illegal, and sanctioned the formation of a new brotherhood, that recognizes the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate. Esphigmenou again gained global attention in December 2006 when members of the new brotherhood tried to force their way into the monastery's offices in Karyes. The Esphigmenou monks in the building attempted to defend themselves from the sledge-hammer wielding attakers who had smashed the front door of the building,[3] repelling the intruders with the only things they had to defend themselves with - crowbars and fire extinguishers. [4] In the ensuing clashes seven monks were severely injured.[5]

In January 2007, the District Attorney of Thessaloniki pressed charges against the Esphigmenou squatters for embezzlement of over 150.000 euros and estate belonging to the monastery. [6]

The BBC interviewed the Greek Governor of Mt Athos, George Dalacouras, during which the charges against the monks were brought into question as being poliically motivated and another pressure tactic to force the monks out. [7]


So if they and you are in schisim who is the real heretic?

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Papoutsis,

Question for you. Are you Orthodox?

I have read your posts and it strikes me that you say these things, then you claim you are Orthodox.

Second question. What is Thestic Evolution?

You say that you are here to show us the light, but it seems that you are here so the light can be shown to you. Do not spread your false teachings!

Also, comparing people to your pet cockatoo, does not sound very orthodox.

THE BIG BANG THEORY: GOD SPOKE AND BANG IT HAPPENED

Angela

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Christophoros

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Peter, don't waste your time. There are some people here who represent the worst stereotypical elements of so-called "True Orthodoxy." There's not a bishop alive who would want to claim them as their flock.

Remember Callahan's Principle.

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Enduring Love

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Christophoro:

I have argued with stupid, rude and down right obnoxious people many a time. In fact, I do it on a regular basis as a lawyer.

When all is said and done I still love people and want to help them. It does not matter to me that they don't want the help because I know they need it.

Darkness runs from light. Ignorance cannot stand against intellegence and sound argument. So it is only a matter of time. My mom, who helped found THE KIMISIS TIS THEOTOKOS old calendar Church in Dundee, Florida, argued with the fundamentalists in the very Church she helped build. She didn't help build the Church because she believed in all the wacky things they did but because Greeks needed a church to worship in, a Greek school their Children needed to learn Greek, and a bit of the old country here in America.

She had her sympathies, but never at the expence of the Gospel of Christ. She never stopped loving people and always listened to the voice of God. When she died in 1996 she was buried here in Chicago in a new Calendarist Church that we were alwasy a member of. Everybody knew what she did in Florida, but because she was never disobediant to the Bishop in Florida or here in Chicago there was never any fuss.

The stupid little secret is that Greeks stick together whether Old or New Calendarists and are typically not that fanatical. For those that were my mom would always say: "Put a little water in your wine next time."

Talking to people is the only way the show them what the truth is. I would rather talk to them and physically fight with them. In the end I love them. So why would I turn my back on them? They think they are being genuine well so did the Pharisees until Christ and his apostles came along and showed them the Gospel.

We have to always fight the good fight and spread the light and saving power of Christ to all, even to the "True Orthodox."

Take care Christophoro, and have a blessed Sunday.

Peter

PS: Angela, I like my Cockatoo. His name is Rocky. My priest actually blessed him many years ago when he came over to bless my house so I guess I was wrong. I guess he's more Orthodox than you and many others like you on this board.

What can I say I have a Sardonic Humor.

Evfimy

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Papatoustic,

the Ecumenical Patriarch is a Freemason and a bold heretic, as was Athenagorus. In the Balamand Union of 1993, the Ecumenical Patriach agreed with Roman Catholics that they share "... one faith, one priesthood, one baptism" and that "they are sister Churches (two lungs of the same body) and should search for perfect and total communion."

On June 29,1995 the Ecumenical Patriarch visited the Pope in Rome, and "concelebrated an historic liturgy in Saint Peter's Basilica."

These are just two examples of his blasphemous activities.

If you are Orthodox, as you claim, you are obligated to obey the Fathers of the Church. Here are a few examples of what they said regarding heretics:

"With all our strength let us beware lest we receive Communion from or give it to heretics. 'Give not what is holy to the dogs,' says the Lord. 'Neither cast ye your pearls before swine', lest we become partakers in their dishonour and condemnation."

  • St. John of Damascus [ An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith , IV, 13]

"Even if one should give away all his possessions in the world, and yet be in communion with heresy, he cannot be a friend of God, but is rather an enemy."

  • St. Theodore the Studite (PG 99, 1205)

"Chrysostomos loudly declares not only heretics, but also those who have communion with them, to be enemies of God."

  • St. Theodore the Studite [ Epistle to Abbot Theophilus ]

"Guard yourselves from soul-destroying heresy, communion with which is alienation from Christ."
-St. Theodore the Studite [P.G. 99.1216.]

"The heretics were totally shipwrecked with regard to the Faith; but as for the others, even if in their thinking they did not founder, nevertheless, because of their communion with heresy they are perishing." - St. Theodore the Studite
[Patrologia Graeca 99, 1164

It appears you have been duped by the soul destroying lies of the Freemasons in terms of your understanding of the Church, and science.

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Papoutsis,

How do you know your cockatoo is more Orthodox than me? I guess you know your cokatoo, but you don't know me.

So, I would have to say that Rocky, knows more than you and me. As God made your cockatoo, and he is obedient to God more than any of us!

But of course you being a lawyer, should know all that.

And another thing, you are probably right about rocky, he is more orthodox than me. I never claimed to be a perfect Orthodox. I have my struggles and temptations too!

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Obey the Law

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Evfimy

How about obeying Canon law just like the Father's did. I'm Canonical and your a non-canonical schismatic heretic. How about them apples?

I don't live in a world of black helicoptors or a world hating jews because some anti-semits started the rumor that the jews were responsible for 9-11. That's your paranoid world, not mine. A Freemason under ever rock and ecuminist around every corner.

I like to live in the real world not a made up one. Just let go of your hatred and come to Christ as a little child and you will be reborn. Until then keep looking for those freemasons, jews and ecuminists.

Peter

PS. Angela, you are right about Rocky he definitly knowns more than us. I love that little bird.

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