On Headcoverings and Modesty of Women in Church

patrick1000 · Post by **patrick1000** » Thu 3 January 2008 9:30 pm

Liudmilla wrote:
Personally I have noticed that when men start to critize their sisters in Christ about their apparel it is usually an indication that they are not paying enough attention to the service and that their minds are wandering.

I disagree. I really don't pay much attention to what the women in my parish are wearing. Nonetheless, I have seen women in other churches wearing what any reasonable person would think is very inappropriate clothes, but not at my present parish. Its obviously an issue of concern or people wouldn't be discussing it.

For example, I was in a Presbyterian church once shortly before I converted to Orthodoxy where a few women were wearing low-cut or backless party dresses and mini skirts. Forget prayer veils. So if I notice that then its my problem? Is that what you're trying to say?

The issue here I think is reasonable to discuss and more related to secular trends infiltrating our church, rather than men not paying attention to the liturgy. With all due respect, the problem here is not with men.

Liudmilla · Post by **Liudmilla** » Thu 3 January 2008 11:12 pm

Patrick:
I'm sorry but I think it is.

This topic has been hashed over so much it's not funny any more.
From every angle you can think of for that matter.... just read ALL 28 pages worth.

Sigh! Yes the problem is within each of us. We are not doing what we are supposed to be doing if we are noticing what others are wearing. If it bothers you go stand in front where you won't have to stare. My bet is that you are one of the ones who crowd the door or the back of the church. Me I prefer the front, there are less distractions. Hmmm.... like the guy in the skin tight jeans or that form fitting shirt oh and lets not forget the cute behind when he does all those flourishing prostrations.... do you get my point?

A lack of a slip-slidding scarf that occupies and annoys the ****** out of the wearer should be the least of your worries.

Milla

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Thu 3 January 2008 11:13 pm

With all due respect, the problem here is not with men.

And with all due respect back, that's why we have a women's forum. I think that men can have less understanding about the importance of head-coverings and such. It really is an issue for women to discuss.

The tradition is for women to cover their heads. It's even mentioned in the Holy Bible. It's late now, so I won't search for it, but if you need it, I'll look it up.

God teaches that women should cover their heads and be moderate in dress and behaviour.

Liudmilla · Post by **Liudmilla** » Thu 3 January 2008 11:15 pm

Joasia:

You don't have to look it up..... it's in this thread SEVERAL times over...all Patrick has to do is READ all the pages.

Milla

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Thu 3 January 2008 11:17 pm

Milla,

Problem is we don't have a search engine to locate previous posts...unless I don't know about it.

BTW. I posted a minute ago and you already responded. Wow.

patrick1000 · Post by **patrick1000** » Fri 4 January 2008 3:42 am

Liudmilla wrote:
A lack of a slip-slidding scarf that occupies and annoys the ****** out of the wearer should be the least of your worries.

Its certainly not one of my priorities. With my wife, we don't argue about it. I merely informed her what the Scripture says and what the Traditions have been. After that the responsibility is all on her. But just because she makes one decision, I don't try to justify her refusal. She claims it messes up her hair, which to me is a pretty flimsy reason.

What interests me most in this issue is mainly how some people seem to create rationalizations and justifications for this obvious deviance from what the Church teaches.

Yes, Luidmilla, like everyone, I have plenty of my own short comings and fail to meet the mark every single day, but I don't try to justify that. I readily admit that I'm too lazy, distracted, or unknowing to follow every rule faithfully.

A sinner,
Patrick

Helen · Post by **Helen** » Tue 8 January 2008 6:34 am

A lack of a slip-slidding scarf that occupies and annoys the ****** out of the wearer should be the least of your worries.

3 little seams about 5cm apart sown in the middle of the scarf keeps the scarf from slipping and sliding.

Yes, Luidmilla, like everyone, I have plenty of my own short comings and fail to meet the mark every single day, but I don't try to justify that. I readily admit that I'm too lazy, distracted, or unknowing to follow every rule faithfully.

Well said.