Another Cherotenia of a new ROCOR Bishop for USA

[Pravoslavnik]

Joanna,

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   I have been a member of the ROCOR for the past decade.  I have been trying for the past year to understand what has happened to the ROCOR.  I didn't really understand what had happened during the ROCIE schism in 2000, and was a bit of an ostrich, accepting at face value what our ROCOR priest told us about Metropolitan Vitaly (Ustinov) being senile, etc.  What really woke me up was reading the details of the ROCOR-MP "Act of Canonical Communion" one year ago. It seemed quite different from what our priest had been telling us during the previous year.  Unfortunately, we do not have a single traditional Orthodox parish in our area at present, and I have not had a parish to attend, other than our ROCOR-Laurus, OCA, and (New Calendar) Greek Churches.  Most of my fellow parishioners have gone to the OCA during the past year, and I probably need to do the same.

[joasia]

Pravo,

I had been with ROCOR since 1997 also. I came to realize that they would not resist the MP, from May 2007, when they signed. So I left.

It's a done deal. I believe that the different factions for the split from ROCOR should unite. But, there are circumstances that effect the decision, from the hierarchial level. Not everybody knows about it.

We have to find out the truth, each in our own circumstances. I can't convince you and you can't convince me...but let's just believe that we, as laymen, who are trapped in this dilemma, will be guided, by God, to eventually end up in the right place...because we believe.

And maybe, we will meet, one day, and shake hands -with no division between us.

In Christ,

Joanna

[catechuman]

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It seems, here those that think that they are "Super Correct" are ROCOR-PSCA when rejecting to their three "sisters" Russian TOC jurisdictions (ROCOR-V, RTOC and ROAC) for the Kyprianites, and when doing so they also rejected the true Old Calendarist of Greece (20% of the Christians in Greece) for the Kyprianites (an insignificant group created by Met Kyprianos which nothing has to do with the historical and true GOC - as much as for its origin as for its ecclesiology -).

Father Siluan bless!

I have been trying to understand this very item for the last two years and wanted to ask you or anybody who knows:

1. if ANY of the three TOC Russian sister Churches are in communion with each other and if not - why not?

2. If they are not in communion with each do they also claim the others are "outside the Church"?

3. Are any of the three in communion with the GOC?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can comment on this.

[Joanna Higginbotham]

In the biography of Fr. Seraphim Rose there is much about what he called "Super-Correctness" or the "Correctness disease". He said it is a narrowness that is tempting, for one thing because it offers simple answers to complex questions. Here are some short quotes from the book:

-One of the "simple answers" provided by the super-correct contingent concerned the relations of the various Orthodox Churches. These people maintained that all Churches on the New Calendar or involved in ecumenical activities were "heretical" and "invalid," that they were "no churches at all," that their bishops were "psuedo bishops," and that they had no grace in their sacraments.

-June 15, 1976: "The (Russian) 'right wing' of Orthodoxy will probably be divided into many small 'jurisdictions' in the future..."

-July 8, 1980: "...there are so many groups of 'correct' Orthodox in Greece now (none in communion with the others) that a new group will only prove the devil's power to divide Orthodox Christians."