ROCOR-MP silent re: 4th of July

[stumbler]

I just want to call attention to the fact that there is no mention of the 4th of July on any of the official ROCOR boards.

While the MP sees fit to congratulate Castro on his birthday, and the anniversary of communism in Vietnam, apparently our American anniversary of independence is not as equally worthy in their eyes.

I think I have received today the answer to my previous question concerning the Sergianist document of 2000 concerning church and state, wherein they state that the church should support all good initiatives of the state.

I asked "Which state? Whose state?"

Apparently, letters of congratulation on the anniversaries of revolutions are limited to the anniversaries only of those governments within the Soviet sphere.

The silence is deafening.

[Benjamin W. C. Waterhouse]

Of course not, celebrating a masonic republican revolt against an anointed King????

[GOCTheophan]

Of course not, celebrating a masonic republican revolt against an anointed King????

Well said.

But why the wink?

= True Orthodox smile.

T.

[Jean-Serge]

Of course not, celebrating a masonic republican revolt against an anointed King????

But the King or his ministers may have been mason too...

[stumbler]

So Metropolitan Philaret was wrong to exchange friendly greetings by letter with Ronald Reagan?

[Pravoslavnik]

When the World Trade Center was destroyed on 9/11, our ROCOR priest proudly announced to our parish that no Russians from Lakewood, New Jersey had been killed in the attacks. (I heard him say this with my own ears.) Later, when the Chechens blew up the Russian school in Breslan, the Soviet emigres--who had been regularly giving one dollar per week to support the parish while the American converts continued to pay the parish bills--raised several thousand dollars as a donation to the Russian families affected by the Chechen attacks. Like most Americans in the parish, I was surprised by this generous outpouring of nationalistic, Soviet charity, especially since the parish gave so little money to such things as the Haitian Orthodox (ROCOR) missions.

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     The ROCOR was given a safe haven in the United States for many decades--though apparently not safe enough to prevent attempted poisonings of hierarchs and the eventual takeover of Jordanville and the ROCOR-Laurus Synod by the KGB.  Metropolitan Laurus and the current ROCOR-MP Synod have repaid our decades of American kindness and support with what I have begun to recognize as characteristically [i]Russian [/i]ingratitude.  They confiscated our parishes and real estate, and turned them over to the KGB to improve Russian Federation espionage against the United States.  Samuel Johnson said that "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels," but, after May 17th, I felt like enough of a scoundrel this year to fly the American flag on the 4th of July.  I also did some thinking and praying about those dastardly un-Orthodox, Masonic ancestors of mine who fought in five of America's wars during the last two centuries to create a country where the Russian refugees from communism could establish a spiritual home and open safe parishes throughout a continent....

    What would you do with a dog that bites the hand that fed it and took care of it for many years, then enters into a strategic alliance with the owner's enemies?  At the very least, you would probably send the dog to live with its new masters.  

     Is there a dog "pound" where we can send the ROCOR-Laurus Synod and their minions--Alexander lebedev, et. al. and the new KGB clergy and parish council members--until we arrange for their permanent deportation to their beloved Unholy Russia?

[stumbler]

Metropolitan Laurus and the current ROCOR-MP Synod have repaid our decades of American kindness and support with what I have begun to recognize as characteristically Russian ingratitude.

While I agree with much of what you have said, I would quibble with this.

Even Metropolitan Laurus admitted that it was the Russians - the old emigres - who proved intractable and immune to his "psychological plan," as it was translated somewhere.

The newer emigres are soviet people, raised in a Soviet state. I don't know what to call Metropolitan Laurus, as he specifically stated that he did not consider himself part of the Russian emigres.

I would say that those who joined in and advocated the disgrace of May 17 had lost their way and had not well learned what the Russians tried to teach them, including gratitude.

I think you will find that most Russians (as opposed to the Soviets) are very grateful to have made it to America. To those, like Abp Kyrill, who are American born and Jesuit and MP educated, we can only ask how "Russian" they ever were.

That is just my personal outlook and attempt to understand what has happened.

In reality, I don't think it is fair to make broad characterizations as to race or ethnicity or national origin, though it is fair to consider such issues in analyzing events.

I am sure there are good "Soviet" people and bad American people as well as holy people fron the MP and some fairly unholy ones within the ROCOR.

I don't see the ROCOR scandal as due to "Russian ingratitude." That would be too easy.