Evolution and an Orthodox Patristic understanding of Genesis

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What do you believe vis a vis Creationism vs. Darwinism?

I believe in creationism like the Holy Fathers and Bible teach

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I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution and think the Church Fathers were wrong

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I am not sure yet, I need to read more Patristics and scientific theories

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Fr. Seraphim writes: "The first chapter of Genesis is entirely devoted to the Six Days of Creation. In chapter two, the creation of man is described in more detail. One might say that chapter one describes the creation of humanity, both in the exalted sense as God's image, and in its divided, earthly aspect as male and female; while in chapter two the specific creation of the first man Adam and the first woman Eve is set forth. Some of the other creations of the Six Days are also mentioned in chapter two, but not in the strict chronological order of the first chapter. We should keep this in mind to avoid the elementary mistakes of rationalist critics who find "contradictions" between these two chapters and suppose there must be different authors of them"

one example is from St. Ephraim the Syrian -- Fr. Seraphim writes "The connection of Paradise with the earth is understood by St. Ephraim in such a literal way that he specifies, in his Commentary on Genesis, that as a place of trees it was created on the Third Day with the rest of the vegetable creation."

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So scripture itself contains God - not your interpretation of it, even when there is an interpretation that suggests He was literally correct and didn't invent science just to play with us?

I find that hard to believe.

i dont understand at all what youre trying to say here ... i didnt say God invented science just to play with us. i believe science and Christianity are harmonious, but i dont believe that evolution is true science. evolution makes it sound like Genesis was given by God just to play with us.

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Perspective.

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Perspective

  1. you seem to be arguing that various perspectives actually create reality. i believe in absolutes -- there is an absolute age of the universe, that cube is absolutely always one by one by one, no matter how far away you are.
  2. so please explain for me --- according to whos perspective did God ceate in 6 days, and according to whos perspective did He create over billions of years? -- we've established that God is outside time, so neither perspective can be God's.
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Perspectives create YOUR reality. You wouldn't recognize the cube if I told you it was a foot tall when it looked 2 inches tall to you from where you stood.

So, if I were kind to you and didn't want to confuse you, I would refer to the 2 inch cube, not the foot tall cube.

Unless, of course, you had been present at the beginning, and had measured the cube when it first appeared on the table at the point it had appeared. Then you might know how tall the cube was yourself, and wouldn't be looking it up in a book.

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im sorry but htis sounds like New Age baloney -- your reality and my reality. its the same graham i hear from the libs all the time -- "well Jesus might be true for you, but thats not my truth." give me a break. the universe has an absolute age. and since there was no one around at the beginning of creation except for God then the only possible perspective is the absolute perspective -- the exact age of creation, the exact time that God chose to create in -- time affecting the creation and not God of course.

according to whos perspective do you propose that creation happened in 6 days, and according to whos perspective is it billions of years.

if you were really nice youd say "that cube that looks small, but since youre not a retard you realize its actually larger than it looks to you."

from my perspective evolution is graham. therefore its true. well for me at least, but you can have your own ideas. (Ecumenism anyone?)

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Well, just because you don't seem to grasp (yet) exactly what time is, I wouldn't call you a retard. I thought you were making significant progress!

And what is a lib? Is that some Protestant term for non-Republicans?

All kidding aside, given what your mindset seems to be, I don't think you will appreciate physics until you pay someone to explain it to you. Until then, you will give it no value.

Go with God.

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