This should be interesting.
Grace Poll
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OrthodoxyOrDeath
Peter,
This is a trick question of sorts.
The new-calendar was condemned as a Heresy by the 9th Ecumenical Synod. But what's more than that is what your question so neatly shaves off, the motivations, theology, and goals of those behind the new-calendar.
In addition, the situation has become much more severe and there have been heaped on the calendar issue many more heresies, of which the new-calendar was only a vanguard. And if we shall know them by their fruits, then I would say the "Old Calendarists" of the 1930's have been proven correct without a doubt.
So in light of the full context of the new-calendar and those who follow it...you can guess my answer.
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bogoliubtsy
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I tried to pose the question in a way that purposefully leaves out all of the baggage associated with the calendar question. The question simply is: If an Orthodox jurisdiction arrangeds its ecclesiastical life according to the new calendar, is it immediately deprived of grace. All of the other issues are NOT attached to this question.
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OrthodoxyOrDeath
We have an old lady in our Church who was in tears as she described how in Greece, she hid an "old calendar" priest in her basement - and how they would have service their, in her basement, in knee deep water - and how they eventually came, took the priest, and killed him.
I would say Satan sure loves the new-calendar, those who don't think it the work of heretics whould consider who their fork-tailed friend is.
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OrthodoxyOrDeath
Peter,
The Church, as the Body of Christ, can do anything righteous. If it were righteous and to the benefit of mans salvation to change the calendar, then YES, it could be used. But of course, there is not one single benefit of the new-calendar as has been proven.
Lets say the OCA started using M&M's for communion. Your question is like asking, are M&M's by themselves a heresy. No offense Peter, that's just how I'm reading it, but then I've been building a database all day and have become quite mentally fragile.
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bogoliubtsy
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No,
It would be like asking "is using M&Ms for communion heretical" or "does using M&Ms for communion deprive a jurisdiction of Grace"?
Then I'd say, yeah probably, since there's a whole theology wrapped up in leven bread, etc. etc. etc. on and on.
Of course M&Ms on their own aren't heretical. They are rich creamy morsels of goodness, as we all know.
There's a difference.