Date of Creation and Age of the Earth

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Date of Creation and Age of the Earth

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I was reading the history of the Orthodox Church on this page and it says that the dates given are determined by Orthodox Tradition. It then says that Adam was created in 5508 BC. That would mean that we are in year 7515 since Creation. Where exactly does the Orthodox Church teach that? Has the year of Adam's creation been declared by a Council? If so, which one?

Also, Scripture Catholic claims that, based on the lengths of peoples' lives given in the Bible, that the earth is approximately 14,041 years old. Which is right? (if the Orthodox one has been declared by an Ecumenical Council, I'll immediately accept that as true).

And how do you respond to these people who say that the earth is billions of years old?

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Orthodoxy and the Age of the Earth

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The earth is about 3.5 billion years old, based on a convergence of scientific data, including the strontium-rubidium ratios in rocks and the presence or absence of the known radioactive nuclides in our solar system.

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       Truth is an intercalated whole.  The revealed truths of Orthodox Christianity are entirely consistent with the truths of science.  Unfortunately, some Christians--including Fundamentalist Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox Christians-- have made scientific claims about the physical universe, based upon inaccurate interpretations of scripture, which are false.  St. Augustine noted that it is important for people in the Church to refrain from making false asertions about matters of science, which could, ultimately, scandalize the faithful if shown to be false.  Such was the case with Copernicus, Galileo, and the Papacy.  A similar phenomenon is occurring today, involving people who argue that traditional Christian beliefs and modern science--astrophysics and Darwinian evolutionary theory-- are in conflict. 

        The most profound solution to some of this apparent conflict comes from the theory of relativity, which posits that time passes as different rates as a function of the velocity and acceleration of a matter.  The MIT physicist Gerald Schroeder has shown that, when time is measured from the point at which the Big Bang occurred, approximately six 24 hour "days" have lapsed during the 15 billion year history of the universe, when time is measured from the perspective of the planet earth.  Hence, the six "days" of Biblical creation from "God's" perspective have actually lasted 15 billion years, consistent with modern scientific data on the subject.  

 Unfortunately, the implications of Schroeder's findings have not been fully understood or appreciated by many modern Christian authors and clerics in the Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Orthodox Churches, who continue to insist that their  "Fundamentalist," earth-time interpretations of the mystical text of [i]Genesis[/i] are correct.  Much of this misguided thinking has been fostered by the pseudo-scientific "New Earth Creationist" Institute of the Protestant Fundamentalist Henry Morris.  This is the same group that argues that the dinosaurs of the Jurassic era of earth's history perished in the neolithic Flood a few thousand years ago!
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I happen to be a "Young Earth Creationist" as were all the Church Fathers. St. Basil the Great taught that the days of Creation were 24 hour days.

But the question I was asking was: Where does the Orthodox Church get the date of 5508 BC for the Creation of Adam and Eve, and the fact that we are in the year 7515 since Creation? A Church Council? If so, which one?

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Was St. Basil a "New Earth Creationist"?

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"St. Basil the Great taught that the days of Creation were 24 hour days."

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      One need not be a "young earth creationist," like the Protestant Fundamentalist Henry Morris, to accept St. Basil's teaching about the 24 hour "days" of our universe's 15 billion year history.  The 15 billion years that have elapsed since the Big Bang--when measured from the perspective of our earth--have lasted about six 24 hour days, when measured from the theoretical point at which the Big Bang occurred.  Time passes at different rates in the universe as a function of the relative velocity and acceleration of matter.  This is a basic aspect of Einstein's theory of relativity.  There are many devout, respectable Orthodox Christians in the world who do not accept the popular Protestant Fundamentalist misinterpretations of [i]Genesis.[/i]
         Fortunately, for everyone, what we Orthodox Christians believe about Christ and the Church is much more important, soteriologically, than what we believe about science.  If you choose to believe that the earth is a mere 7,500 years old, and that Noah lived contemporaneously with the Tyranosaurus Rex and Brontosaurae, that is your business.  It is inappropriate, however, to tell people that they must believe things which are simply untrue in order to be "true" Orthodox Christians.  This Funadamentalist misinterpretation of [i]Genesis [/i]is, in that sense, damaging to the faithful and to the Church, as St. Augustine feared.
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Post by ChristosVoskrese »

Again you have not answered my question. Where exactly does the Orthodox Church teach that Adam was created in 5508 BC?

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i dont know if it was ever declared in a council, bc it wasnt a disputed issue in teh age of hte councils, but the Church calendar that was set up in teh Byzantine era used this dating system. you can still get a calendar from St. Herman's (Platina) that says we are in teh year 7515 since the creation of the earth. i think this age comes from someones calculation using the Septuagint.

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So it's not a dogma of the Orthodox Church?

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