Fowl,
Here’s your rebuttal...
I want to apologise if I disrespected you; I know I can come off as being quite coarse (and I'm being very generous with that description!), but I still totally disagree with your assessment.
You are totally ignorant.
The Church in Russian was not founded by Stalin or any other person; it is the same Church that has always been.
Again, total ignorance. The Church of Russia is the Holy Church established by the Apostles, passed down to the Russians, from Constantinople. The pseudo-chruch of the MP is a creation of men who MURDERED the true hiearch of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Tikhon and 350 other bishops and a plethora of priests and deacons. Then the organization of the pseudo-church took over Russia. They established this fake church under the atheist-communist government. The fake church of Russia was run by communists and we all know that communists are complete atheists; how can you not see the issue there? Are you brain-dead or what? The true church of Russia was blessed by Patriarch Tikhon to preserve the Orthodox faith and so they had to flee abroad or hide within the country; they preserve the faith of true Orthodoxy. The communist establishment of the church organization has nothing to do with God’s true church.
It has at times been hijacked by those who did not have the same view and even by those that wanted to destroy it, but it is the same. Again with the Catacombs...
Many have resumed communion with the MP. How many of the Catacomb churches during Communist rule have Communists/KGB as members and even priests?? This whole argument is crazy; tell me what you want to see happen.
There is no way that there are KGB agents in Catacomb churches. The catacomb churches wouldn’t allow that. You are really lost or you are lying. Or these churches aren’t real catacomb churches.
You and the rest of those in your camp say, "XYZ needs to happen." OK, it happens; then you say, "but we also need this." All right, met those demands also.
SO WHAT CAN THE MP DO TO MEET YOUR DEMANDS???
What they have to do is repent and allow ROCOR to establish a new body of hierarchs. They are not the real Russian Orthodox Church.
If, as you say, they are not a "Church", then the answer is nothing. The millions of Christians in Russia that have tried to preserve the Faith means nothing. Those that were persecuted or killed WHILE MEMBERS OF THE MP CHURCHES means nothing.
Those who were persecuted while in the MP church were persecuted because they disagreed with the MP church. They refused to continue with the sharade. Nobody who is a willing member of the MP church will oppose it and therefore will not be persecuted. Stop your lies...it’s quite boring.
l'm just trying to understand your logic here, 'cause it just don't make sense. Are you afraid of saying what you really mean?? Or are you just regurgitating what you were told by someone else??
I really want to know. Is everyone that has been baptised, communed, married, ordained, buried under the MP juristiction just another heathen?? If so, what do they need to do???
Yes, they are with a psedo-church and what needs to be done is for them to come to the true church, non-sergei. Just as the papists are outside of the true church, in baptism, communion, marriage, ordination and burial...so are those in the government sergeist organization...THEY ARE NOT THE TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
Please, let me know because the answer will speak volumes. I hope I'm misunderstanding what you have been saying. The canons are not to be used in some Latin/Papist way; that has been the consensus of the anti-MP remarks on this forum and it is not Orthodox--not even close.
you are too ignorant to know what the canons have to say. You want to talk about canons? Then why don't you site some specific ones instead of talking gibberish.
Well, you don’t seem to understand much do you? The preservation of the True Church of Christ has been witnessed in the past. St. Mark of Ephesus made his stance despite the whispers of his collegue bishops to join with the pope. The Russian Orthodox Church is the faith and preservation of Christ’s Church. The MP Church is a clear establishment of a government-affiliated corrupt organization. It IS NOT the true Russian Orthodox Church, just as the papist church is not the true One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Do you understand the difference or are you still so ignorant?
Go peddle your lies somewhere else. And also go and tell lebedeff that his propaganda will not work here.
