Black Cloud Over Moscow

[scwaterfowl]

With all due respect, the last post is a load of garbage. Its not even an Orthodox responce, rather a pharasaical one. If you're ever looking for a career, I'm sure you could find one with the Zionists...

[Priest Siluan]

With all due respect, the last post is a load of garbage. Its not even an Orthodox responce, rather a pharasaical one. If you're ever looking for a career, I'm sure you could find one with the Zionists...

Well, it seems you are who is acting in a way non Christian and attacking without any foundation, what I said is not "garbage" and there is enough historical bases to check it.

[scwaterfowl]

I want to apologise if I disrespected you; I know I can come off as being quite coarse (and I'm being very generous with that description!), but I still totally disagree with your assessment.
The Church in Russian was not founded by Stalin or any other person; it is the same Church that has always been. It has at times been hijacked by those who did not have the same view and even by those that wanted to destroy it, but it is the same.
Again with the Catacombs...
Many have resumed communion with the MP. How many of the Catacomb churches during Communist rule have Communists/KGB as members and even priests?? This whole argument is crazy; tell me what you want to see happen. You and the rest of those in your camp say, "XYZ needs to happen." OK, it happens; then you say, "but we also need this." All right, met those demands also.
SO WHAT CAN THE MP DO TO MEET YOUR DEMANDS???
If, as you say, they are not a "Church", then the answer is nothing. The millions of Christians in Russia that have tried to preserve the Faith means nothing. Those that were persecuted or killed WHILE MEMBERS OF THE MP CHURCHES means nothing.
l'm just trying to understand your logic here, 'cause it just don't make sense.
Are you afraid of saying what you really mean?? Or are you just regurgitating what you were told by someone else??
I really want to know. Is everyone that has been baptised, communed, married, ordained, buried under the MP juristiction just another heathen?? If so, what do they need to do???
Please, let me know because the answer will speak volumes. I hope I'm misunderstanding what you have been saying. The canons are not to be used in some Latin/Papist way; that has been the consensus of the anti-MP remarks on this forum and it is not Orthodox--not even close.

[Priest Siluan]

Dear,

I know the MP from inside and I can give faith of many bad things there, thing which are not well, they are a political "church" and an office of government for "religious matters". They are not interested in Orthodoxy, as well as other ones they do in the others "World Orthodoxy", they just are ethnic and political groups.

Many people are in MP in the same way than many Latins are in RCC, because to be a parisher there gives them a certain "social status". There, there is not a commitment in the faith but single ethnicism (Russianess) and some kind of social activity.

[Ekaterina]

***Interesting comment about the deacon's letter from another list:

"Some people won't be satisfied until His Holiness Patriarch Alexei
and the entire Holy Synod walk on their knees down 95th Street on
broken glass, clad in loincloths, and are then flayed, drawn and
quartered, dismembered, and their remains burned in a big pile in
front of the Cathedral."

[Ekaterina]

Fr. Nikolai:

I see that you moved the letter from Fr Pimen to another spot. I posted it here because I felt that the points made fully addressed the points made in these earlier posts. That is why I highlited the various passages.

The place where you posted it was not where I felt it would do the most good.

Perhaps it would have been better if you had asked me what my intentions were before moving the post.

Katya

[Ekaterina]

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