Ekaterina wrote:See I was right.....just more perpetuating Hatred............hardly in line with what we as Orthodox Christians should be..... no wonder we are fracturing right and left.
Katya
Dear Katya,
You failed to answer my question about the RusNat site. Where is the perpetuating of hatred here?
Theophan.
Dear Theophan:
You write:
You failed to answer my question about the RusNat site
Your question HAS been answered and even supported by the following from another posting...the one about the "nice" pictures....
Does anybody know anything about the "RusNat" site they came from?
Theophan.Word has it that they are as Katya has stated a white supremist group (ie Russian version of Nazi's) and that they proclaim to be affiliated with ROCOR (which apparently and obviously ROCOR would reject). This is only heresay, but apparently you can type in words such as "Russian Nationalist"
into the search engine on u tube and watch stuff about them.As for the pictures - a lot of them were published in Ludmilla Perepelkina's book on Ecumenism (1990), which may lead to the assumption that they were pictures available to a general audience.
I'm sorry if this is not enough for you, but I stand by my statements.
As for the Hatred...this site certainly does not promote God's love.
Father Siluan cjose to disparage my comments by stating:
I never met anybody there whom loves the jews so much as you do.
I will say this to him.....I cannot imageine a God who rewards hatred and punishes those who would love his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Katya
Ekaterina wrote:Father Siluan cjose to disparage my comments by stating:
I never met anybody there whom loves the jews so much as you do.
I will say this to him.....I cannot imageine a God who rewards hatred and punishes those who would love his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Katya
I agree with you about this last point but you cannot refuse that my previous statement is not totally miss, I told about the unjustified anti Judaism in ROCOR and among some MP nationalist groups...and the unjustified anti Judaism is really hate and anything has to do with the orthodox position of rejection to the Judaism like enemy of the Christianity, which is also my humble position.
Ekaterina wrote:Dear Theophan:
You write:
You failed to answer my question about the RusNat site
Your question HAS been answered and even supported by the following from another posting...the one about the "nice" pictures....
Does anybody know anything about the "RusNat" site they came from?
Theophan.Word has it that they are as Katya has stated a white supremist group (ie Russian version of Nazi's) and that they proclaim to be affiliated with ROCOR (which apparently and obviously ROCOR would reject). This is only heresay, but apparently you can type in words such as "Russian Nationalist"
into the search engine on u tube and watch stuff about them.As for the pictures - a lot of them were published in Ludmilla Perepelkina's book on Ecumenism (1990), which may lead to the assumption that they were pictures available to a general audience.
I'm sorry if this is not enough for you, but I stand by my statements.
As for the Hatred...this site certainly does not promote God's love.
Father Siluan cjose to disparage my comments by stating:
I never met anybody there whom loves the jews so much as you do.
I will say this to him.....I cannot imageine a God who rewards hatred and punishes those who would love his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Katya
Dear Katya,
Word has it is not enough...Russia is under attack.
Do you not understand how actually MURDEROUS the people you have choosen to side with in your disloyality to Met Vitaly are?
Please read this-
"Prince Vladimir was the first to display the typically Russian interpretation of Christianity. Before his conversion, this bellicose Prince had little idea of restraint or self-control. He was bold in battle, fond of food and drink, had several wives and a large number of children. His baptism radically changed his behavior, but he did not become morose and retiring; on the contrary, he discovered a new joy in life, and directed his strong and generous nature towards helping the orphaned, the poor, and the sick. His Court retained its fame for the banquets of his heathen days, but, instead of inviting the powerful and the rich, he opened his gates to the hungry and the afflicted. He built homes for the aged and for invalids. Especially striking was his attitude to criminals: this man, who had previously shed blood liberally in fierce battles, realized the sacredness of each human life, and his first impulse was to abolish capital punishment in his vast dominion. This decision greatly surprised the clergy whom he had brought from Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire inherited from its pagan days a system of cruel punishments. Though it was considerably humanized under Christian influence, it nevertheless retained tortures and mutilations for the guilty. The Greek bishops, used to this type of legislation, when consulted by Vladimir, advised the newly converted Prince not to relax the laws against evil-doers; they insisted that the ruler had a duty to punish the wicked severely. Prince Vladimir reluctantly obeyed, but he did not change his mind and remained convinced that tortures and capital punishment had no place in a Christian community. This opinion has been maintained by a large number of Russian Christians, and several outstanding rulers — such as Prince Vladimir Monomakh (d. 1125), the Empress Elizabeth (d. 1761), Alexander II (d. 1881), and Alexander III (d. 1894) — won universal approval by banishing capital punishment from the legislation of the land. The belief that law-breakers ought to be treated as unfortunate victims of their own and others' sins, rather than as persons deserving exemplary retribution, has always been widespread among Russian Christians. 1 Equally typical of their outlook has been that generosity to the poor which was first displayed by Vladimir, and which often appears extravagant to foreign observers trained in the more reserved atmosphere of the West."
And than think about the course you have taken. Think about the literally millions starved, tortured, shoot, hung, beaten to death, left to rot in psychiatric hospitals, etc, etc by "your side" in this debate and than come back to me and talk about Fr Siluoans "hatred".
Theophan.
Theophan..........
So what you are saying is that since I chose not to accept a supremist site as a truthful and righteous site, I am now equal to murders, persecutors and torturers. Because I challenge a supremist site in your estimation I am a child of the devil.....
So much for espousing the LOVE of Christ..........
Katya
I say: where's the proof that the MP is that bad? An even more interesting question, is that if it is that bad, how could all of our (ROCOR's) bishops have been misled? ("the devil" doesn't count as an answer)
Edit: I'm not saying this to start any arguments; I have an open mind, and I want more information so I can decide what my stance should be.
Ekaterina wrote:Theophan..........
So what you are saying is that since I chose not to accept a supremist site as a truthful and righteous site, I am now equal to murders, persecutors and torturers. Because I challenge a supremist site in your estimation I am a child of the devil.....So much for espousing the LOVE of Christ..........
Katya
Dear Katya,
I dont know if it is or is not a racial supremcist site as sadly I do not read Russian. It could be a KGB project like Paymat to either gather information on or discredit Russian patriots. I simply dont know. You or anyone else just deciding that it is does not convince me that it is.
You loyal to Met Lavr and support the Union with the Soviet Church or am I mistaken? If that is true than yes you have sided with murderers, torturers, rapists and ultimately the devil himself. The RusNat side doesnt come into all that- I just wanted to know why you said what you said.
Theophan.
