Abp ANTHONY (ORLOFF) has become First-Hierach of RusOC-A

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Theophan,

Not knowing what you mean about the pot calling the kettle black, I will ask now, can divorced men be ordained/consecrated? I didn't think this was the case.

Nicholas

Canon XII: Moreover, this also has come to our knowledge, that in Africa and Libya, and in other places the most God-beloved bishops in those parts do not refuse to live with their wives, even after consecration, thereby giving scandal and offense to the people. Since, therefore, it is our particular care that all things tend to the good of the flock placed in our hands and committed to us - it has seemed good that henceforth nothing of the kind shall in any way occur. And we say this, not to abolish and overthrow what things were established of old by Apostolic authority, but as caring for the health of the people and their advance to better things, and lest the ecclesiastical state should suffer any reproach...But if any shall have been observed to do such a thing, let him be deposed.

Canon XLVII: The wife of him who is advanced to hierarchical dignity, shall be separated from her husband by their mutual consent, and after his ordination and consecration to the episcopate she shall enter a monastery situated at a distance from the abode of the bishop, and there let her enjoy the bishop's provision. And if she is deemed worthy she may be advanced to the dignity of a deaconess.

[GOCTheophan]

The idea that his wife answers the phone when you ring his house was put out by someone called "Geniune Orthodox" who has a Uk and Ireland Yahoo address but does not belong to any of the True Orthodox Churches here and definitely not the Florinite branch of the Greek Church who they imply they are members of here who I all know personally and outside of me and Vladimir have no concerns at all with the net (even Vladimir's concern with it is very limited).

How are you sure of this? Is it true or false? That is all I want to know.

Also there are very good reasons to believe that they are behind quite vile parodies of novice Nathanael, they certainly have a vehement hatred for him.

Are you referring to the subdemon milty blog?

I believe that this person could well be an agent of something (the Lavrites? the FSB? the Freemasons? the Church of England? Who knows?)

And who is to say Nathanael is not an agent of someone?

sent to put forward the dangerous heresy that there will be Bishops until the end of time, an error beloved of psuedo-Christianity.

What?! PSEUDO Christianity? That is Orthodoxy 101: Where the bishop is, there is the Church. You will need to explain this one further.

All that is besides the point and in the realms of speculation. Spiridon who personally knows Vladikya has supplied the correct information.

Did he post it here? If so I missed it. I certainly HOPE it is not true that he is still living with his wife. Even so, his uncanonical ordination in secret (which is obvious when one reads the account of him later being accepted by his brother bishops on the ROCiE official site) is more scandalous to me than that, and his recent "appointment" as "Metropolitan" of "Moscow" is the icing on the cake. What nonsense.

I would like to know much more why the insane ramblings of heretic John Romanides are given a link and therefore an endorsement by our American Metropolia? Lets take the beam out of our jurisdiction's eye before attacking commenting on other people's splinters.

Theophan.

Nice attempt to derail the discussion. I'm not taking the bait.

Anastasios

Before the Antichrist comes to power the Divine Liturgy will already have been taken away. The book of Daniel states clearly that continual Sacrafice will vanish from this earth. All the Bishops will be killed or fall away. That time is coming down upon extremely quickly. Those who are to strongly attached to the outward ordering of the Church will be swept up into the kingdom of the Antichrist. Archbishop Anthony is still Orthodox while Lavr is worse, much worse, than the original Sergius who gave his name to that particular heresy. He may though be schismatic but I am not in command of all the facts in that case.Spiridon says clearly here that his ordination was NOT done in secret.

The devil knows about prophecies of a resurrection of Russia and thats why he is particurly going after the Russian Church raising up people like Fr John Shaw and Met Lavr to make war aganist the saints in the diasopora, who seduced many with their lies about Met Vitaly of Blessed memory's mental health, using people like Basil Lurie is lead others astray with playful intellectual elitism and of course using his old tactics of terror and violence.

Nathanael is not the stuff that agents are made of. He is far to much of a loose canon. And yes I was refering to the Subdemonmilty blog (among other ones).

Again linking with the heretic Romanides is much more scandalous that ROCOR's- why do you inisist on calling them ROCiE?- maybe pushing out economny to far. Thats not an attempt to derail anything. Merely fact.

Theophan.

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why do you inisist on calling them ROCiE?- maybe pushing out economny to far. Thats not an attempt to derail anything.

Dear Theophan, many of the clergy and laity in ROCiE/ROCOR-V/ROCA-V still call it ROCiE. The ROCiE priest that I speak to most often, Father Andrew Kencis, who is the rector at Dormition Cathedral calls it ROCiE, and as for me, I follow his example. I only know of one clergyman in ROCiE that insists on calling it simple ROCOR. Currently there appears only to be one ROCiE thankfully, since ROCiE-Varnava went back to ROCOR-L, the ROCiE in Russia renamed itself the RTOC, and ROCiE-Anthony renamed itself the ROC-A.

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Pictures are now available of this event and their Synodal Cathedral at http://portal-credo.ru/site/?act=news&id=48896

They also have ordained another bishop for their synod it seems:

VERTOGRAD Orthodox Journal
Newsletter No. 57, Friday, November 25, 2006. 1:00 P.M.

ANOTHER BISHOP IS ORDAINED IN THE RusOC UNDER MET ANTHONY (ORLOV)
(Portal-Credo.Ru – Vertograd, Moscow)

Archimandrite of ROCOR(L) Ioann (Zinoviev) was received to RusOC under Met Anthony (Orlov) and consecrated bishop of Zaporozhe and Malorossia on November 24, 2006 in Sherbinka (Moscow region). Bishop Ioann has become the sixth bishop of RusOC, four of them have been ordained within the recent four months.

The consecration took place in accordance with a decision of the Synod of RusOC, which met shortly before it. All the bishops were present except for Victor Pivovarov, who delegated his voice to Met Anthony (Orlov). The Synod also established a new diocese of Malorossia, which includes Ukraine and Moldova (this area belonged to the diocese of Bishop Victor before).

The service started at 6 A.M. and not more than 10 people were present at the consecration (RusOC does not have too many people or parishes). After the service and consecration there was a dinner, that Met Anthony did not participate. He was leaving Russia, where he spent more than a month.

A newly ordained Bishop Ioann has already been a bishop before. He had been a bishop of Kiev Partiarchate, that was not recognized when he was received to ROCOR in 2003. He was received to ROCOR as an Archimandrite, that was his latest rank in Moscow Partiarchate where he had been before. The decision of his new hierarchical consecration in RocOC formally contradicts the previos decision of that Church (dated by Nov 3) to re-baptise and re-ordain any clergy that got their ranks in Moscow Partiarchate.

[Priest Siluan]

You can't be ordained outside of a liturgy. Thanks for providing testimony that this man is clearly not a bishop.

Anastasios

I agree. He is not a bishop, he is a joke and he new "church" (a gruop heretic- so much or more than Romanides and uncanonical) is very dangerous for poor people whom fall in their hands. For that reason "his" clergymen in South America never commemorated him (to exception of only a deacon) when he was a "bishop" in ROCiE, but rather all of them only conmemorated to Met Vitaly.

[Priest Siluan]

that is Vladykas cellphone, and yes his wife is a nun now, and he was elevated to the Episcopate after Divine Liturgy in the witness of atleast 2 vladykas overseas including Vladyka Vladimir, what happened in mansonville at the cell and outside of Divine Liturgy was an in Person Blessing by Vladyka Met.Vitaly of Blessed Memory...all this is in the website

Well this is the "Modus operandis" of this sect that don't keep in mind the sacred things. For instance, when Orlov y Pivovarov consecrated their first two "bishops" Damaskin and Stefan in a factory of candles (In Mansonville and when they were expelled with their plan for a "Sobor").

[GOCTheophan]

You can't be ordained outside of a liturgy. Thanks for providing testimony that this man is clearly not a bishop.

Anastasios

I agree. He is not a bishop, he is a joke and he new "church" (a gruop heretic- so much or more than Romanides and uncanonical) is very dangerous for poor people whom fall in their hands. For that reason "his" clergymen in South America never commemorated him (to exception of only a deacon) when he was a "bishop" in ROCiE, but rather all of them only conmemorated to Met Vitaly.

Father Bless!

Dear Father,

What exactly are Archbishop Orlov's heresies? There has been a lot of talk about his heresies but the only one I have heard actually stated is that he doesnt believe that people of jewish descent should be baptised. I have written to Dcn John Chaplain who from his posts in Paradosis seems very fair away from the cold monster Archbishop Orlov has been painted as to ask him whether this is true or not and what were the circumstances of his ordination. I do also know that a very learned friend of mine is seriously considering going under him due to the troubles with the three Matthewite groups. Also someone who actually knows him who posts here seems to be not at all hostile to him. Or does everyone know about lots of things I have missed?

Theophan.