Moderator: Mark Templet
Peter J. Hatala wrote:So,
I suppose Valentine of Suzdal's days as an MP priest are exempt from scrutiny?
Peter, you are more than welcome to ask Julianna politely about Met. Valentine's days as a priest before he left the MP if you like, but we probably should not assume in advance that people are not going to comply with our requests without ever asking the question. 
Yes if anyone'll want to know that Vladika Valentine left the MP because of Sergianism That ROCOR investigated him alot and found him to be such a moral lawful great priest that they'd made him an archbishop I'm more than willing to tell you this! :mrgreen: Fr. Dionysi'd probably tell you more
So, Valentine of Suzdal was unaware of "Sergianism" until leaving the MP and suddenly having some grand realization? How lucky for him this realization came after the fall of communism when it was safe to leave the MP.
It's a shame he wasted all those years giving out fake mysteries on Stalin's behalf.
Also, my original question still stands if anyone would care to entertain it.
Privately I've talked with Peter that the Christian thing's when we've repented and asked for forgiveness we're forgiven by our Church. Vladika Valentine's past is in the MP but he'd left when asked to comply with Sergianism. We'll forgive anyone that's been in the wrong church in their past when they've come to the truth in humility asking forgiveness.
Paradosis wrote:Juliana,
Heretics were always invited to councils.
First, that's untrue (and you couldn't defend it when pressed, unless you qualified "heretics" and "always" to the point that the terms became meaningless). And yes, I did ask for Fr. Dionysi's blessing.
I am sure the Aryans came to the council they were anathemized at, the monophysites to the council they were anathemized at, etc. The heretics come to the councils to be anathemized, but they come! 
Peter J. Hatala wrote:So,
I suppose Valentine of Suzdal's days as an MP priest are exempt from scrutiny?
No, I disagree with. But he did repent. He has repented to those he helped to mislead by thinking the MP was the, or part of, the Russian Church. He also repented and asked forgiveness to the Church through ROCOR, who at the time was, still fighting the good fight. Metropolitan Valentine has preached and written much to bring the truth of the Soviet's church into the light.
Does it not seem odd to you that, when bishops seperate from ROCOR for there canonical vilolations (getting involved with anothers diocese) you consider them "outside".
But, if all they did is hand the church over to civil authorities, kill those (directly or indirectly-like St. Basil of Kineshma), establish a partiarchate uncanonically with the help and support of the god-haters, going the WCC, sell tobacco, liquor and information on parishoners and tourists (let us stop here for now) you consider them "part of the Church"
Will, they started out wrong, and until they repent, and submit to the Church, they are still wrong.
I agree with your quote "Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." - G.K. Chesterton
Peter J. Hatala wrote:So, Valentine of Suzdal was unaware of "Sergianism" until leaving the MP and suddenly having some grand realization? How lucky for him this realization came after the fall of communism when it was safe to leave the MP.
It's a shame he wasted all those years giving out fake mysteries on Stalin's behalf.
Also, my original question still stands if anyone would care to entertain it.
I agree with you about this. It is a shame. He has so much love and understanding. A great metropolitan. But, please let us not be too hard. He has repented. As you said, he saw that he was only serving Stalin's church.
Now, that you understand this, and realize that he was wrong for looking at the MP as a Church, I guess it is your chance to follow his lead.
Or, is this all tongue in check, and you are just using this matter (that is serious) for fun and games?
Priest Dionysi
