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[GOCTheophan]

Yes ebor,you should realize traitors such as "EP" bartholomew, "the deceiver of souls" and his liberal orthodox buddies that are so eager to please heretics, that they have the proper mannerisms.To bad they betray the truth in doing so. Theophan answer straight and to the point, black or white, yes or no, like an Orthodox Christian should. And if the salvation of your soul is not a priority,TomS, and you choose to stay naive,and ignore the truth. Then you are a tool of the devil.

Where Christs mercy ends is where his judgment begins.

Constantine

Thank you Constantine.

[Ebor]

Yes ebor,you should realize traitors such as "EP" bartholomew, "the deceiver of souls" and his liberal orthodox buddies that are so eager to please heretics, that they have the proper mannerisms.

I'm sorry, the thread was not discussing the Ecumenical Patriarch nor any of his "mannerisms". So I have no idea what this has to do with what it is about.

Ebor

[George Australia]

Do you honestly believe that the vast majiority of modernists and false ecumenists stay away from the True Church because they believe it is false and driven by "wackoness"?

I am neither a "modernist" nor a "false ecumenist", but I can tell you that I for one stay away from the so-called "True Orthodox Churches" because of the wackoness I find in so many of their members, both online, and personally met.

[Anastasios]

Do you honestly believe that the vast majiority of modernists and false ecumenists stay away from the True Church because they believe it is false and driven by "wackoness"?

I do not believe that the vast majority are turned off for that reason, no. I think the vast majority are turned off because of their sinfulness and laziness. But I also believe that a SIGNIFICANT number of people have a hard time swallowing the idea that we're the True Orthodox Church when there are five or six Synods in Greece calling themselves True Orthodox. Of course I only believe one is right (ours) but to an outsider, that is hard to see on first or second glance.

Also they have the lives and writings of saints which are readily available to show them the wonders of True Orthodoxy in a way much clearer and better than I or indeed you either could.

Most people don't join Churches from reading the lives of the saints. Most people join Churches after meeting someone who has influenced them by their holiness.

Anastasios

[Constantine]

If you attend a world orthodox church then unfortunatly you are a modernist and ecumenist, due to the fact of what your bishops do. A monophysite comemorates a monophysite bishop, a roman catholic comemorates a roman catholic bishop, a ecumenist comemorates a ecumenistic bishop, and a Orthodox comemerates a Orthodox Bishop.
The bishops confession of faith defines what the churches under him believe. I do not know what church you attend, but by your comments make me believe you are under some sort of world Orthodox. Perhaps Greek Orthodox? If you were it would be interesting for you to know a few years back one of your bishops refered to the rudder as toilet paper.

[Anastasios]

Do you honestly believe that the vast majiority of modernists and false ecumenists stay away from the True Church because they believe it is false and driven by "wackoness"?

I am neither a "modernist" nor a "false ecumenist", but I can tell you that I for one stay away from the so-called "True Orthodox Churches" because of the wackoness I find in so many of their members, both online, and personally met.

Well, I find that a bit extreme George. You talk to me and I am "True Orthodox" In all seriousness, in real life I have never met wacko True Orthodox. I beleive that your experience was with the Cyprianites in Australia, unless you have more experience than I know of (which is entirely possible), and that might account for some of your negative real-world experiences. I have a friend from Australia who was tonsured by Met Cyprian himself, who really likes the Cyprianites in general, but who nevertheless joined ROCOR rather than be sent back to Australia to be in that diocese. Of course, I am speaking from his experience, not my own and I know nothing about goings on there. But from my experience, the Cyrpianites like the Matthewites are much smaller and therefore more prone to ideaologicalism, whereas my Synod, the canonical and majority by far GOC, that of Archbishop Chrysostomos II, is more prone to normalcy (although every group has its crazies!)

Lest you think I am in the business of knocking my own brothers in the faith, though, in all honesty I must say that my negative experience with the wackiness of New Calendarists played a part in my decision not to join their Church (the major reason was the positives I experienced in the GOC, though--I am not a disgrunlted "negative convert", ie. someone who converts to something just because they don't like something else!) But to go on about my negative experiences with New Calendarists would be beside the point.

Of course, I fully admit all of this is my personal opinion and from my experience, and I have no doubt others will disagree.

Anastasios

[Ebor]

If you attend a world orthodox church then unfortunatly you are a modernist and ecumenist, due to the fact of what your bishops do. A monophysite comemorates a monophysite bishop, a roman catholic comemorates a roman catholic bishop, a ecumenist comemorates a ecumenistic bishop, and a Orthodox comemerates a Orthodox Bishop.
The bishops confession of faith defines what the churches under him believe. I do not know what church you attend, but by your comments make me believe you are under some sort of world Orthodox. Perhaps Greek Orthodox? If you were it would be interesting for you to know a few years back one of your bishops refered to the rudder as toilet paper.

To whom are you addressing this? me?

Ebor