Icons of Stalin- need urgent help.

[Constantine]

Yes ebor,you should realize traitors such as "EP" bartholomew, "the deceiver of souls" and his liberal orthodox buddies that are so eager to please heretics, that they have the proper mannerisms.To bad they betray the truth in doing so. Theophan answer straight and to the point, black or white, yes or no, like an Orthodox Christian should. And if the salvation of your soul is not a priority,TomS, and you choose to stay naive,and ignore the truth. Then you are a tool of the devil.

Where Christs mercy ends is where his judgment begins.

Constantine

[George Australia]

And the source of the picture you posted is, according to the "Properties"
http://kleine-fuhrer.lenin.ru/imgs/stalin_icon.jpg

Now I do not read Russian. But some of the other images available there are ummm highly odd imho.

Who is the maker of this site? Does he give a provenence for the "icon"? Is it really an icon or a piece done in the style? Where is it found? Is it in a real church? If it says that it is, where?

This is till only a picture on the 'Net, meaning no disrespect. It is not proof that such a thing exists in a church setting.

Ebor

Oh look: Here is another "Icon" from the same site. I wonder if I can get the twin set of the Icons of Stalin and Hitler? I don't think I need to ask which one should go on the left and which one should go on the right!

[George Australia]

Yes ebor,you should realize traitors such as "EP" bartholomew, "the deceiver of souls" and his liberal orthodox buddies that are so eager to please heretics, that they have the proper mannerisms.To bad they betray the truth in doing so. Theophan answer straight and to the point, black or white, yes or no, like an Orthodox Christian should. And if the salvation of your soul is not a priority,TomS, and you choose to stay naive,and ignore the truth. Then you are a tool of the devil.

Where Christs mercy ends is where his judgment begins.

Constantine

You know what I find absolutely amazing? Theophan's position was based entirely on a falsehood (ie, the existence of Icons of Stalin in the Russian Church). And yet, this is what you guys call "defending the truth"....
I no longer think you guys have any idea how to recognise truth.

[Anastasios]

Even if documentation is produced I doubt it will have an effect given the strength of the prelest they are under but you never know.

Theophan.

Pride and judgmentalism on your part...

[Anastasios]

Theophan you were better off talking about something that was true, then about icons about stalin...
always remember that anything can be reproduced by photograph,drawing or painted...
in our hearts we know what is what, and who is who

Exactly. The MP is messed up, but instead of focusing on why it is messed up, a chance was lost by derailing the discussion with a post of innuendo. And to think, all Theophan had to do was say, "I have seen icons of Stalin passed out by right wing Russian groups" and that would have been a true statement. Even, "and some people I trust told me they saw such images in Russia but I have no independent confirmation" would also have been ok. But to make a claim with no proof basically shot any chance Theophan had on my forum of having his position taken seriously--and this upsets me as one of the only GOC people on my site, because I find that once your reputation is harmed it takes a long time to recover. I need help on my site presenting the GOC as the Orthodox Church everyone should be joining, which disputes like this one do not help.

[Anastasios]

Everyone seems to think that the idea is really strange Id give up at this stage but I think that documentation is needed to silence the sarcastic ( why do sarcasm and World Orthodoxy seem to go hand in hand) bleating of OCAniks on another forum.

Theophan.

So your goal is not to find the truth, but rather to smash the sarcasm of the heretics. I see.

[Anastasios]

Stalin has undergone a resurgence of popularity in post-Soviet Russia as an example of a strong man who made the nation a force to be reckoned with. A former member of this forum described Stalin as a "great Orthodox Emporerer" on a yahoo group recently. Nationalist students make up an important part of the backbone of the MP and Stalin is extremely popular in their circles.

You are right on this point. I have seen much of the same thing in reading up on Russia.

The fact that you would find such a concept fantastic shows that effectively you are living in "La-la" land- forgive my bluntness.

Theophan.

That was totally uncalled for.