Icons of Stalin- need urgent help.

[GOCTheophan]

Yes, I am aware of this from reading World News (and not in American papers. I read ones from a number of other countries). Might one ask who it was that called Stalin an "Orthodox Emperor" or what the context of that was, please?

It was "Kollyvas" as he was known here who said it and the context was the spreading of the Red Terror from Peking to Berlin.

Remember what the psuedo-confessor Dudhko said about the aforementioned leader before his death?

Now you have me there. I do not know who "psuedo-confessor Dudhko" was nor what he said. Could you please post a link (in English if possible)? Thank you.

You say that you keep up with Orthodox happenings and yet you do not know who Dmitri Dudhko is? Try reading actual books instead of getting your information in bits and pieces from the net.

The fact that you would find such a concept fantastic shows that effectively you are living in "La-la" land- forgive my bluntness.
Theophan.

Again, you do not know me personally so your judgement of my "living" situation is, I'm sorry, not correct. I have been following things both EO and International for many years. "

From your ignorance of both Payamat and Dmitri Dudhko I very much doubt that you have been following things "EO and International" for years.

Sincerely,

Ebor

Again like Anglicanism is basically about being English Soviet clericalism is about being Russian first and foremost. What was good for Russia was good for Christ. Therefore Stalin as a great national hero is also a great Orthodox Christian hero in many eyes.

Time to find out a little more about your ecumenical friends.

Theophan.

[Ebor]

No! I had paper Icon of Stalin that was given by a member of Payamat....

May one ask what "Payamat" is please?

Ebor

You seriously make the claim that follow things Russian and Orthodox and yet you do not know about Payamat?

I said that I follow things, I did not say that I devote my life to them. EO is a large field with many areas and groups and contentions and Earth is even bigger. No one knows everything save God. I asked because I wanted to learn. This has apparently given offense, since you will not answer the question and instead return with off-topic remarks about Anglicans. I have done some searching since you will not give the information, and haven't come up with much yet.

For the record I do not "stick up for the MP". As the saying goes, I don't have a dog in that hunt. However, I do believe that one should be truthful about even those one dislikes or disagrees with, it serves no one's cause to make false statements about another to make them look bad. That is lying. Let their true faults be sufficient.

With respect,

Ebor

[Ebor]

It was "Kollyvas" as he was known here who said it and the context was the spreading of the Red Terror from Peking to Berlin.

Thank you.

You say that you keep up with Orthodox happenings and yet you do not know who Dmitri Dudhko is? Try reading actual books instead of getting your information in bits and pieces from the net.

I do read "actual books". You are again making assumptions about me that are not correct. Again, I asked because I wished to learn something. But if you will not answer a question, I'll have to try to find out on my own. You referred to some specific words of Mr. Dudhko, but since I don't know to what you are referring, it might take me sometime to find it.

From your ignorance of both Payamat and Dmitri Dudhko I very much doubt that you have been following things "EO and International" for years.

It can be helpful in Net communications to remember that other people do not know all of the things that the person posting does. I'm afraid that your "doubts" would be incorrect, but as I wrote above there is alot happening on Earth and in EO.

Again like Anglicanism is basically about being English

Perhaps in your experience, but since I do not know you I will not make any assumptions. Anglican Christianity if followed is about following Christ and is in many places on the globe. But this is, again, off-topic.

Time to find out a little more about your ecumenical friends.

??? You object to perceived bad treatment on OC.net, yet you feel free to attack and disparage other people here?

I'm sorry for whatever It was that offended you.

With respect,

Ebor

[GOCTheophan]

[quote="Ebor"][quote="GOCTheophan"]
. You referred to some specific words of Mr. Dudhko, but since I don't know to what you are referring, it might take me sometime to find it.

I thought that you would have accepted the orders of the Moscow Patriarchate? The very fact that you refer to him as "mr" and not "Father" shows you have not the slightest clue about who I am refering to. "Fr" Dmitri Dudhko was a priest in the Moscow Patriarchate who spoke out in the late 70s and early 80s aganist some of the abuses that were taking place in the MP and aganist miltant athiesim being forced on people. He latter famously recanted on television, however his previous activity played a huge role in warming the hearts of many in ROCOR to the MP and the possibility that it still contained the Grace of the Holy Spirit. He was a huge influence in the weakening of the postition held by the Palatina monastary which led to their falling away from the Church after the death of Blessed Seraphim. However he was always false ecumenist in faith and later before he died caused a controversy by his praise of Stalin, claiming that the tryant was a "believer"- something commonly held in Putin's Russia- and more than that a great Russian leader! He comes up in most books on contemporary Russian Orthodoxy of any weight what so ever.

Payamat is a rightist umbrella group that in all probability was a KGB front from the beinging and was home to many strange idealogues of National Bholesvikism such as Alexander Dughin (http://www.artcogaia.com) but which was at least in the late 80s first half of the 1990s had a large Integralist and anti-Soviet faction which was associated with ROCOR (to Catacombniki and many others disgust) and the fire bombing of Communist youth group. Nowadays it seems to have gone with the Soviet winds that are blowing ever more stronger in the RF. Payamat's influence has been completely out of proportion to its numbers. Again it will figure in any half decent book on recent Russian history.

So...Are you sure you actually have done any reading on the recent past of both Church and polictical life in Russia?

Theophan.

[GOCTheophan]

Perhaps in your experience, but since I do not know you I will not make any assumptions. Anglican Christianity if followed is about following Christ and is in many places on the globe. But this is, again, off-topic.

Anglican "Christianity" is in many places of the globe...True? But what places would they be? Maybe the places unfortunate enough to know perfidous Albion's jack booted banditary?

As for it being about following Christ....do you know how many people were hanged for being homeless by the founder of your "Church" King Henry VIII?

Theophan.

[Ebor]

Thank you for answering my questions and giving some information.

I used "Mr." as a courtesy; if I had know who the gentleman was I would not have asked you about him. If I had known that he was a priest I would have used "Fr. again as a courtesy.

This is hardly the forum for me to discuss the Anglican Communion. However, you would seem to have a great deal of animosity toward it or England. You have used inflammatory language that would seem to suggest that you would not be interested in any serious discussion, even if it were the right forum. I could assume that it is because you live in Ireland. But I also know that people from other countries have moved to Ireland in recent years, so I will not make any further assumptions.

If you could point out any thing that I said that you considered an attack on you personally or offensive to you, I will apologize. However, asking for corroborative evidence is not an attack, and was not meant to be so.
And how is your behaviour to me any better then what you perceive to be a problem on OC.net?

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Ebor

[TomS]

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Ebor

Now, now, Ebor. You should understand by now that, like the Islamists, fanatical Old Calendar Orthodox believe only that the "others" in the above quote implies only the people in THEIR "church" (i.e., the chosen). :ohvey: All others simply deserve contempt for their stupidity and for allowing themselves to be used as tools of the devil.