Icons of Stalin- need urgent help.

ioannis · Post by **ioannis** » Tue 17 October 2006 8:56 pm

...strangely I think George W. Bush would somehow appear more palatable than Anti-St. Stalin; on the other hand, I would prefer "St. Stalin" over an "icon" of Bartholomew: Stalin was just a murderer of the body and everyone (well, almost everyone) knows who he is, whereas Bartholomew (and the many thousands like him) are murderers of the soul.

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Tue 17 October 2006 9:03 pm

ioannis wrote:
...whereas Bartholomew (and the many thousands like him) are murderers of the soul.

GOCTheophan · Post by **GOCTheophan** » Wed 18 October 2006 4:30 am

spiridon wrote:
Theophan you were better off talking about something that was true, then about icons about stalin...
always remember that anything can be reproduced by photograph,drawing or painted...
in our hearts we know what is what, and who is who

No! I had paper Icon of Stalin that was given by a member of Payamat, I thought it was funny but then realised it was blasemphous. And I have heard about them being in MP Temples in Russia from Roman Catholic and World Orthodox friends.

Everyone seems to think that the idea is really strange Id give up at this stage but I think that documentation is needed to silence the sarcastic ( why do sarcasm and World Orthodoxy seem to go hand in hand) bleating of OCAniks on another forum.

Theophan.

GOCTheophan · Post by **GOCTheophan** » Wed 18 October 2006 4:44 am

Ebor wrote:
One wonders why there could be something wrong with asking for support of a surprising claim? It is not an attack nor a bad attitude to ask for a reliable source. If an unknown person made some kind of unusual assertion about something that you thought sounded odd, why would you not ask them for some kind of source material?

Also, if proof is good and able to be checked and verified, then that is all that is needed.

One wonders how the OP knows that other people are "under prelest".

With respect,

Ebor

Ebor if you had ever actually been to Russia or if you actually knew a board spectrum of actual Russians you would realise it is not a fantastic claim. Stalin has undergone a resurgence of popularity in post-Soviet Russia as an example of a strong man who made the nation a force to be reckoned with. A former member of this forum described Stalin as a "great Orthodox Emporerer" on a yahoo group recently. Nationalist students make up an important part of the backbone of the MP and Stalin is extremely popular in their circles. Remember what the psuedo-confessor Dudhko said about the aforementioned leader before his death?

The fact that you would find such a concept fantastic shows that effectively you are living in "La-la" land- forgive my bluntness.

Theophan.

Ebor · Post by **Ebor** » Wed 18 October 2006 9:31 am

GOCTheophan wrote:
No! I had paper Icon of Stalin that was given by a member of Payamat....

May one ask what "Payamat" is please?

Everyone seems to think that the idea is really strange

Why should people not think it "strange"? Stalin was not Christian in his actions or beliefs, so an "icon" of him in a church is out of the ordinary to say the least. So I don't understand why you would roll your eyes at other people thinking the idea was odd.

Id give up at this stage but I think that documentation is needed to silence the sarcastic ( why do sarcasm and World Orthodoxy seem to go hand in hand) bleating of OCAniks on another forum.
Theophan.

And calling others "OCAniks" and that they "bleat" is somehow acceptable because they do not accept a statement unquestioned? Labeling people you don't know is alright? Has anyone on OC.net called you any names or cast aspersions?

If any of my posts have read as though they were "sarcastic" to you, I am sorry. That was not my intention. Postings can sometimes be difficult to fully understand since we do not have the verbal and physical cues that help in face to face communications. But wanting some documentation is not unreasonable.

You made an assertion that such a thing exists and in a church to boot. You have been asked to back up this assertion. What is wrong with asking for that, please?

The picture provided yesterday is from a site that has a collection of peculiar and distasteful not to say repellant pictures, many with depictions of nazi images, nasty stereotypes and some that are just odd. Perhaps there is some explanation about them, but I do not read Russian. The provenence of the picture should also be questioned as to why it is there, what does it mean to the one who put it up. For example, is the site one that is a collection of historical images, or is it one that is a neo-nazi site or there could be other reasons. Discernment of where and what and why something is on the 'net is helpful. For example, is the picture of Stalin there as an exemplar or to show a piece of historical propaganda? Or is there another reason?

With respect,

Ebor

Ebor · Post by **Ebor** » Wed 18 October 2006 9:48 am

GOCTheophan wrote:
Ebor if you had ever actually been to Russia or if you actually knew a board spectrum of actual Russians you would realise it is not a fantastic claim.

While I have never been to Russia, I do know some persons who lived there and I try to read international newspapers to be aware of what is happening in other parts of the world. Forgive me for this, but you seem to be assuming things about a person that you do not know.

Stalin has undergone a resurgence of popularity in post-Soviet Russia as an example of a strong man who made the nation a force to be reckoned with. A former member of this forum described Stalin as a "great Orthodox Emporerer" on a yahoo group recently. Nationalist students make up an important part of the backbone of the MP and Stalin is extremely popular in their circles.

Yes, I am aware of this from reading World News (and not in American papers. I read ones from a number of other countries). Might one ask who it was that called Stalin an "Orthodox Emperor" or what the context of that was, please?

Remember what the psuedo-confessor Dudhko said about the aforementioned leader before his death?

Now you have me there. I do not know who "psuedo-confessor Dudhko" was nor what he said. Could you please post a link (in English if possible)? Thank you.

The fact that you would find such a concept fantastic shows that effectively you are living in "La-la" land- forgive my bluntness.
Theophan.

Again, you do not know me personally so your judgement of my "living" situation is, I'm sorry, not correct. I have been following things both EO and International for many years. "Fantastic" is your word, not mine. I found your assertion on OC.net a bit odd and asked for some documentation. How is this unreasonable?

How is it acceptable for you to exhibit "bluntness" in making such a judgement on another person and alright for you to write such a put-down of me merely because I would like more information that is verifiable? If I have given you the impression that I think that you are not aware of reality, such was never my intent.

Sincerely,

Ebor

GOCTheophan · Post by **GOCTheophan** » Wed 18 October 2006 12:08 pm

Ebor wrote:
GOCTheophan wrote:
No! I had paper Icon of Stalin that was given by a member of Payamat....

May one ask what "Payamat" is please?

Ebor

You seriously make the claim that follow things Russian and Orthodox and yet you do not know about Payamat?

Given that your "Church" was founded by genocidal tryants it is somehow not surprising that you would stick up for the MP. Anglicanism gave the world the first runs of Sergianism and the idealogical back bone of false ecumenism originated in your "Church". If you cant see how satanic the "Christian" organization, one piosoned through and through by freemasonary and sexual perversion, you belong to is there is no point in anyone explaining to you what wrong with the MP.

Here the "Church of Ireland" thinks the goverment allowing unborn babies to ripped apart would be a good thing, even in the interests of "Christian unity".

With Love in Christ and prayers for your salvation,

Theophan.