GOA now tonsuring women as clergy?

[Priest Siluan]

Which Great Council anathemised the New Calendar?
The Calendar which was anathemised was the Gregorian Calendar. The New Calendarists do not follow the Gregorian Calendar, because, if they did, their Pascha, and all the moveable feasts dependant on it would always fall on the same date as the Latins, and Novemebr the 1st would be the feast of All Saints as it is in the Gregorian Calendar, rather than the Feast of Sts. Cosmas and Damien as it is in the New Calendar Orthodox Churches. So, it is hyperbole to say the "New Calendar" was condemned, and this line of argument would depend on the New Calendar and the Gregorian Calendar being the same thing.

The New Calendarist uses the Papal "Mineya" which is a "PART" of the Papal Calendar and the Papal Calendar has been condemned in its ENTIRETY.

[joasia]

George,

And obviously, it doesn't matter to you that the Russian Church professes a different Faith about the Priesthood to the rest of Orthodoxy

That's going too far. Once you start labelling them as professing a different Faith, on any Orthodox subject, you are stating that they are completely outside the true Orthodox Church of Christ. That demise belongs to the papists and protestants.

St. Seraphim was living during that time and he was NOT of a different Faith. He lived with the church and because he is honored by God, to be a saint, means he lived in God's church. There are no saints with the papists and protestants.

Have you appointed yourself the judge of the Russian Orthodox faithful now? And you say, "the rest of Orthodoxy"...do you mean you Greeks who think that Orthodoxy is your right? Don't forget, that you're ancestors were once pagan too. If the Apostles hadn't come to the Greeks, you would still be worshipping Apollo. And Pat. Bartholowmew is nothing to be proud of. So don't point fingers.

We should be concerned for all mankind to be in the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. We shouldn't be arguing with each other.

Joanna

[joasia]

George,

The Calendar which was anathemised was the Gregorian Calendar. The New Calendarists do not follow the Gregorian Calendar

No, they made up a third version; like two wasn't confusing enough. Then why can't they keep up with the Julian calendar? When Pentecost arrives, you switch back and lose the fast of St. Peter and Paul. Your calendar is irratic. And if it's not the Gregorian calendar, then why do you celebrate Christmas with the papists? Why can't you just stick with the original calendar...what was the big necessity to have it changed?... To be closer to the world, because nobody in the world can understand having Christmas on Jan. 7th.

Joanna

[尼古拉前执事]

Dear in Christ, this was way off-topic for the thread it was in, so I have made it in to its own thread named, "Grace in the MP, EP, AP? Altar Girls, Ecumenism, Calendarism"

[George Australia]

No, they made up a third version; like two wasn't confusing enough. Then why can't they keep up with the Julian calendar? When Pentecost arrives, you switch back and lose the fast of St. Peter and Paul. Your calendar is irratic. And if it's not the Gregorian calendar, then why do you celebrate Christmas with the papists? Why can't you just stick with the original calendar...what was the big necessity to have it changed?... To be closer to the world, because nobody in the world can understand having Christmas on Jan. 7th.

Joasia,
Most of your criticisms have substance, and I agree, but the fact remains that the New Calendar is not the Gregorian Calendar, and so, trite little sound bytes like "The New Calendar has been condemned by a pan-Orthodox Council" are simply hyperbole.

The New Calendarist uses the Papal "Mineya" which is a "PART" of the Papal Calendar and the Papal Calendar has been condemned in its ENTIRETY.

Could you please tell me which Feasts from the papal Menaion the New Calendarists have adopted? And while you're at it, on the years that the latin Easter and Julian Pascha fall on the same day, does that mean that you guys have adopted the papal Paschalion? You might be justified in saying that the Uniates have adopted the papal Menaion, because, for example, they celebrate the latin "Feast of the Immaculate Conception" on December 8th. But you cannot possibly claim that the New Calendarists have "adopted the papal Menaion". Because if they have, then you guys have as well. The only thing that changed in the New Calendar was that the Orthodox Menaion as a whole was moved 13 days. You and I have the same Menaion, only the date of the Menaion is different.

[George Australia]

That's going too far. Once you start labelling them as professing a different Faith, on any Orthodox subject, you are stating that they are completely outside the true Orthodox Church of Christ. That demise belongs to the papists and protestants.

Joasia,
Is the statement "I have no power to forgive sins on Earth" the same as the statement "I forgive and absolve all your sins"? Are they professing the same understanding of the power given by Christ to Orthodox Priests? One says that they cannot forgive sins, and the other says they can. How is this the same Faith being professed? Those who say that Orthodox Priests can forgive sins are professing the same belief that "papists" have of their Priests are they not? And who professes this other than Russian Priests who use the absolution formula of Peter Moghila?
I really can't see why this actual profession of an heretical doctrine is "acceptable" when you guys condemn "World Orthodoxy" for the mere inference that they are "Ecumenist" when the "World Orthodox" themselves have repeatedly professed that the Orthodox Church is the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (as they did in the Thessaloniki Communique). I just don't understand how you guys can hold this view. How can you accept a group which actually states an heresy, while rejecting another group because you think it may hold an heresy which it has never professed?
Why again this double standard? Why can't I say that Russian Priests are professing an heresy when they are, but you can say that "World Orthodox" are professing an heresy when they are actually professing the opposite of it?
And how you guys can possibly believe that moving the Orthodox Menaion 13 days on the civil calendar is worse than inserting an heretical doctrine into the Euchalogion to be pronounced everytime one of the Mysteries of the Church is administered is just beyond me.

[John Haluska]

Dear, in Christ, George Australia,

Why was the "new" calendar implemented in the mid-1500s; the mid-1920s and, most recently, the early 1980s?

Exactly how did any of these implementations benefit the UNITY of the Orthodox Church?

What was the Orthodox purpose behind the "new" calendar's inception, implementation?

Thank you for your reply,

John Haluska