Christian vegetarianism?

[spiridon]

if it is said that even the Brother of Our God and saviour was vegetarian, ask you Priest to Bless your journey to embrace being a vegetarian Orthodox Christian, many people dont understand vegetarianism can open a whole world of looking at things worldly totally different , although the body will have to be given proper time for this change- consult a physician and learn the actual facts of the body`s needs some people confuse being a vegan and vegetarianism and they are somewhat alike, being Vegan is defintiely Ascetic and has its links to over 5 thousand year of buddhist asceticism (who are vegetarian because of cruelty to animals and because of their belief of re-incarnation , they might be born an animal and this would be like eating someone born an animal) remember that buddhas writings are written in a time when he felt his own religion hinduism was getting way out of hand, people were worshipping many made up gods and deities, buddha took himself and thousands of monks to ascetically live life simply not believing in these hindu gods- in one of his writings buddha himself a man stresses "AT THIS POINT IN TIME PAST AND PRESENCE NO ONE with TRUTH has come to SHOW us a different Way, therefore our writings are sufficient to follow and live as we have for thousands of years"
then thousands of years later Moses received the Law and Our God and saviour took on human flesh,the sad thing is people forgot to tell the buddhist, that their leaders Hopes had come True- a Right way had been handed down from Heaven and the ONE TRUE GOD...

ABOUT SAINT JAMES
The Holy Apostles James along with John, Peter and Paul were considered to be pillars of the
Church. Saint James was the son of Joseph who was Betrothed by his first wife and therefore
is called the brother of the Lord in the Gospel. According to tradition, the Lord Jesus Christ
appeared to him after His Jesus Resurrection and set him as bishop of Jerusalem.

Apostle James' ascetic life strengthened his significance even more. He was a strict virgin, did
not drink either wine or other spirituous beverages, abstained from meat and wore only linen
clothing. He had the custom of going off by himself for prayer, and he would pray for his people
on bended knee. He was so often stretched out on the ground in prayer that the skin on his
knees became calloused.

[Pensees]

My major reason for choosing vegetarianism, other than having the healthier diet I ate in high school, is just how sick store bought meat really is. Would you really want to comsume the flesh of a sick, diseased animal? Well, you most likely do it every day.

Peace.

[Ebor]

So, you started this topic here and at Eastern Orthodox Forums. (will you be repeating in on OC.net when it comes back, one wonders.) You got some replies that don't go along with you. I'm sorry, but this reads like another way to be different from other people and to look down on them.

(If you are intending to become a journalist, as you wrote on OC.net, perhaps looking for bias or implications in your writing would be a useful thing. I do not mean any offense in this, but I get such impressions from your postings, and sometimes you are open with your negative opinions, such as the shout box remark on whether a particular woman was southern or retarded. )

Just how much do you know about how millions upon millions of human beings get their food? It can be easy to be a vegetarian in parts of the US with lots of refrigeration and shipping and good land. It's easy to talk of such when one is not hungry and is sure of the next meal.

Ebor

[Pensees]

I'm sorry, but this reads like another way to be different from other people and to look down on them.

Where did you get that idea? I am saying that the meat at supermarkets and restaurants is unsuitable for human consumption, as being from an abused, diseased animal. How is it ok to throw a pig into scalding hot water, but not ok to do the same thing to a dog or cat?
Would you like to be dismembered, part by part, while still alive?
Would you like to live in a cage, with no room to move, in your own fecal matter? Is the consumption of meat really worth the suffering, and the cost, involved? Does it make economic sense to comsume food which takes much more food to be produced, food that could have fed human beings? Do you really want to eat a cow that was too sick to even walk, when you could have just eaten the corn instead?

Peace.

[Mykael]

I'm sorry, but this reads like another way to be different from other people and to look down on them.

Where did you get that idea? I am saying that the meat at supermarkets and restaurants is unsuitable for human consumption, as being from an abused, diseased animal. How is it ok to throw a pig into scalding hot water, but not ok to do the same thing to a dog or cat?
Would you like to be dismembered, part by part, while still alive?
Would you like to live in a cage, with no room to move, in your own fecal matter? Is the consumption of meat really worth the suffering, and the cost, involved? Does it make economic sense to comsume food which takes much more food to be produced, food that could have fed human beings? Do you really want to eat a cow that was too sick to even walk, when you could have just eaten the corn instead?

Peace.

I am saying that the meat at supermarkets and restaurants is unsuitable for human consumption, as being from an abused, diseased animal.

Can you provide document able proof of this assertion?

How is it ok to throw a pig into scalding hot water, but not ok to do the same thing to a dog or cat?

Has anyone here said such a thing?

Would you like to be dismembered, part by part, while still alive?
Would you like to live in a cage, with no room to move, in your own fecal matter?

That depends. What can I gain from it, who is doing it and why?

Is the consumption of meat really worth the suffering, and the cost, involved?

What does this have to do with the theological reasons to abstain from meat?

Does it make economic sense to comsume food which takes much more food to be produced, food that could have fed human beings?

Yes.

Is there any support for vegetarianism in the Scriptures, Church theology, or the lives of the saints? Any help would be much appreciated.

Why did you ask this question if you wanted to comment on modern agricultural practice? Just curious?

Lowly Mykael

[spiridon]

ever been to Benihana? I love the Rocky1s Choice plate, Prime Steak cut up in chunks-MMMMMMMMMMM

[Pensees]

Can you provide document able proof of this assertion?

For video and photos:
http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery.htm

Cruelty to Animals: Mechanized Madness
http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp

Factory farming 'spreading disease around the world'
Felicity Lawrence, consumer affairs correspondent
Wednesday August 21, 2002
The Guardian (UK)
http://www.organicconsumers.org/toxic/f ... 082902.cfm

This is a list of more resources:
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/courses/geog100 ... ources.htm

What does this have to do with the theological reasons to abstain from meat?

As Christians, we have a responsibility to feed the hungry. Much more people can be fed by plant food, than by meat, because of just how much plant food it takes to prepare farm animals for consumption. Furthermore, there is no justification for cruelty to animals.
It's one thing to raise them humanely and then slaughter them humanely, and another to subject them to lives in the worst of conditions, under constant abuse, and a torturous death.

Peace.