ROCOR Priest States Saint Philaret is in Schism

[Ekaterina]

To: orthodox-tradition@yahoogroups.com
From: "(matushka) Ann Lardas" <>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:57:44 -0000
Subject: [paradosis] I take it you missed me?

Matushka Ann wrote:

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But, alas, back to the grind. And look! Here's one grinding away!

--- In orthodox-tradition@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Andreev" <pandreev@...> wrote:

Fr.George Lardas wrote that all those who state that the MP has no grace have departed into schism.

MAL: Ding, ding! I caught your first mistake! He never wrote "all," he very specifically talks about "some."

Look:

"Now that the storm is past, some have embraced a position our Church has never before held that the Moscow Patriarchate is without grace and its Mysteries are invalid. These people have lost the Catholicity of theChurch and have themselves departed into schism. To embrace that position is to go against the conciliar conscience of the Russian Church Abroad, it is to go against the Patristic experience and pastoral practice of the Church,it is to go against the love that we have for our brethren, who hold the same Faith that we do, and have the same hope of Salvation in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Okay, on to your next miscasting of statements:

PA:Saying this he includes Holy Metr.Philaret

MAL: Nyet City. Metropolitan Philaret was the one who told me that he "would never dare say that another Orthodox Church lacks grace."

PA: who stated: Excerpts from St.Metr.Philaret's letter to Fr.Victor Potapov:

MAL: Whether Met. Philaret wrote the letter or someone else wrote it under his name, the excerpt you quoted, such was not the position of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. If it was Vladyka's privately held belief, he held it very, very privately during his life, because the documents he signed by the Synod and Sobor and the things he told individuals stated otherwise.

PA: New ROCOR no longer considers Holy Metr.Philaret one of theirs?

MAL: We consider him very much ours. We just don't consider him yours, for even though you call him a saint, you repudiate him and his love for Russia by your words.

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I will leave your quotation from my husband intact, even if it's more than a year old, because I just love reading his words. I fell in love with him when his "ten minute doklad" on Orthodoxy and science ran a full forty-five minutes and he stopped only because it was time for lunch. He answered all the questions that I had in my heart of hearts. He gave the talk at Jordanville. He explains things well. He captured my heart more than 25 years ago because he spoke with great clarity about the things that he loves, the Church and Science, and how the more you know about science, the more you have to believe in God, because it's so intricate and complex and beautiful that nothing else makes sense. Here, you quote him when he writes about those who don't love, and how little they have to say to us, as a result. Unfortunately, they still say their little, over and over and over, dredging up dead men's letters to prop up an equally lifeless theory. May God have mercy and enlighten them. There is still time, even if it is very late, so much later than we think.

In Christ,
Matushka Ann Lardas

On Talks with the Moscow Patriarchate:
"Now that the storm is past, some have embraced a position our Church has never before held that the Moscow Patriarchate is without grace and its Mysteries are invalid. These people have lost the Catholicity of the Church and have themselves departed into schism. To embrace that position is to go against the conciliar conscience of the Russian Church Abroad, it is to go against the Patristic experience and pastoral practice of the Church,it is to go against the love that we have for our brethren, who hold the same Faith that we do, and have the same hope of Salvation in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Having taken that step they have nothing further to say to the Russian people and have become sectarians, just as the Old Believers became sectarians. They no longer have any witness to the Orthodox world."

Yours in Christ,
Fr George Lardas, Rector
St Nicholas Russian Orthodox Church
Stratford, Connecticut
Sunday 20 June / 3 July 2005

[Ekaterina]

Any emphasis in the above is mine...I put it there since most people skim through posts and don't read every word.

Katya

[Priest Siluan]

We, but at least we should agree that many ones in "new ROCOR" are trying to change the views about the things and for that reason they should belittle Met Philaret, Bishop Gregory (Grabbe) and others true confessors of the Chuch Abroad.

[Ekaterina]

Fr Siluan:

No Father, it is not ROCOR who makes such claims ..... It is generally people who are not members of ROCOR who attribute such statements to us. It is their "interpretation" of words written by ROCOR members, by not ROCOR itself. They only see what "they" want to see, but do not give any regard to the actual intentions of the writer. It is easy to take a "snippet" of anything and twist it to meet one's agenda, it does not however mean that it is the "true" interpretation of the original FULL page or quotation.

Katya

[尼古拉前执事]

Thank you for this clarification, however "some have embraced a position our Church has never before held that the Moscow Patriarchate is without grace and its Mysteries are invalid. These people have lost the Catholicity of the Church and have themselves departed into schism." to me appears to mean the exact same thing as "all those who state that the MP has no grace have departed into schism."

The meaning is the same in my mind, but I do appreciate the posting of the rebuttal and the actual letter from Archpriest George Lardas.

[Priest Siluan]

Katya: You say that such or which person has a agenda, but it is evident that many ones in ROCOR have one too.