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As HOCNA is on topic in the Traditional Orthodox Churches section of the Forum, would you like to see HOCNA added to the Map section of the Cafe with the other Old Calendarist Churches?

Yes

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43%

No

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57%
 
Total votes: 21

buzuxi
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Post by buzuxi »

If someone recognized those wackos (on the oldorthodox link) as truly Greek old calendarist that would be sad. The eparchy of nebraska lol. They even have a relationship with a strange monophysite branch.

Those calling themselves traditional orthodoxy and not in communion with the mainline churches follow the julian calendar exclusively are against ecumenism are headed by right-believing bishops with apostolic succession. They must have a good reason as to why they broke communion with their mother church and those reasons usually are backed by canons. HOCNA breaking communion with ROCOR so the homosexual abbot keeps his post as leader of the Harem is not a good reason . I even have to question ROCIE and ROAC. There is no difference between them & Rocor, and they split due to politics.

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Post by Sean »

buzuxi wrote:

If someone recognized those wackos (on the oldorthodox link) as truly Greek old calendarist that would be sad. The eparchy of nebraska lol. They even have a relationship with a strange monophysite branch.

Those calling themselves traditional orthodoxy and not in communion with the mainline churches follow the julian calendar exclusively are against ecumenism are headed by right-believing bishops with apostolic succession. They must have a good reason as to why they broke communion with their mother church and those reasons usually are backed by canons. HOCNA breaking communion with ROCOR so the homosexual abbot keeps his post as leader of the Harem is not a good reason . I even have to question ROCIE and ROAC. There is no difference between them & Rocor, and they split due to politics.

http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6568

Geronda is a very Christian man. If it were up to me, all of you slanderers and libelists would be prosecuted. Your inarticulate, unedifying BANTER makes me sick!

FYI: There are many differences between HOCNA and ROCOR, which touch on the faith. The most glaring of which are ecumenism and Sergianism. Ecumenism is the belief that heretics possess the Mysteries. ROCOR's hierarchs may be a bit more conservative about which heretics they believe to be in the Church (although I'm not so sure about Vl. Mark), but whether you're talking about the papists or ecumenists who have all the bells and whistles of Orthodoxy; if you believe these heretics have valid sacraments you too are an ecumenist. I would strongly suggest that everyone read the Synodicon of Orthodoxy and the Synodicon of the Holy Spirit.

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lolol, HOCNA is run by a small group of homosexuals thats a fact and plenty of former HOCNA monks who have filed suits against Hocna proves it. It is HOCNA itself that desperatlely wants communion with a group from Greece yet absolutely no bishop in greece wants anything to do with them because of their immorality.
Since i can trace my roots as an Orthodox Christian for centuries and centuries much of what is fragmenting the old calendarist movement here in america is the american protestant mentality. Schism for the sake of schism. Most of the arguments of Gregory of colorado and "arch-bishopess Mitzie" of Rocie, in my country are called "malakies" by both bishop, monk and laymaen alike.

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Post by Sean »

buzuxi wrote:

lolol, HOCNA is run by a small group of homosexuals thats a fact and plenty of former HOCNA monks who have filed suits against Hocna proves it. It is HOCNA itself that desperatlely wants communion with a group from Greece yet absolutely no bishop in greece wants anything to do with them because of their immorality.
Since i can trace my roots as an Orthodox Christian for centuries and centuries much of what is fragmenting the old calendarist movement here in america is the american protestant mentality. Schism for the sake of schism. Most of the arguments of Gregory of colorado and "arch-bishopess Mitzie" of Rocie, in my country are called "malakies" by both bishop, monk and laymaen alike.

People like you are the best missionaries HOCNA has. Entertain us some more with your belligerance. I want to see you type "lolol" again.

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missionary for HOCNA? Who are these converts? Where are there parishes? Hocna has increased in size? What from 50 laymen to 60? The amount of monks bringing accusations against Panteleimon has increased as well.
HOCNA are greek old calendarists? Then how come no bishop in greece recognizes you? How come no greek traditional church with ties in the old country have nothing good to say about you? Why havent you attempted union with any other synod , is it because you dont agree with anyone else, or have you attempted union but were rejected? Why are you isolated?

Min prospathis na me peksis. Ksero poli kala ti yinete ne ton Panteleimon

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Post by Sean »

buzuxi wrote:

missionary for HOCNA? Who are these converts? Where are there parishes? Hocna has increased in size? What from 50 laymen to 60? The amount of monks bringing accusations against Panteleimon has increased as well.
HOCNA are greek old calendarists? Then how come no bishop in greece recognizes you? How come no greek traditional church with ties in the old country have nothing good to say about you? Why havent you attempted union with any other synod , is it because you dont agree with anyone else, or have you attempted union but were rejected? Why are you isolated?

Min prospathis na me peksis. Ksero poli kala ti yinete ne ton Panteleimon

Your lies about our number of faithful are proportionate with your libel about Geronda. If I thought it were actually possible for you to study any given number of FACTS about HOCNA, I would keep spitting out references, as I've done for others in many of my other posts. I can see, however, that your mind is already made up and you don't want to be confused with too many facts.

I will only say this for the benefit of others whom you might have confused. The state of the Greek Old Calendarists in Greece is in shambles, precicely because of schism from the Holy Synod of our Blessed Abp. Afksentios, by the ambitious, the ecclesiologically ambiguous, and by moles from the State Church. We have eight monastic communities and twenty parishes in Greece. We have seven monastic communities and thirty parishes in North America. We also have parishes in Switzerland, Guatemala, Uganda, Kenya, Georgia, and Russia. We continue to grow despite slander from schismatics and married schema monks, who have only brought such false charges before the opportunistic, Sergianist hierarchs who used them. HOCNA has not been sued by such a rag tag crew.

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Post by StephenG »

Sean, one cannot read your spirited defence of Father Panteleimon without recognising your passion. However there is a seeming large body of evidence pointing to serious questions. And if he is defamed, has he sued anyone? These questions have been around for a great time and never been satisfactorily dealt with.

Yes, the situation in Greece in relation to those adhering to the Church calendar is heartbreaking. But so to is the situation elsewhere, including in the Russian church.

One phenomena that does not inspire confidence is that of so-called 'jurisdiction hopping'. And frankly some clergy and monasteries appear to merit having "I was born under a wandering star" as their anthem. Again this raises questions about stability, integrity and motive.

Sobriety might be a quality to try and cling to in all of this rather than join in with what appears too readily as a 'head banging contest' more appropriate to football supporters.

A wanderer, trying to discern truth from falsehood

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