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Those bishops who are heretics and in communion with heretics can be considered "jurisdictions" as much as the Latins might - in fact they do consider the Latins as a "sister church" ironically enough. It is not uncommon at all for people with those false bishops to desire to "blend-in" with the Orthodox as much as possible by saying, "we must not accuse one another, we are all struggling for the same thing".

ROCiE may have a "circus" going on, but there bishops at least meet the minimum qualifications to be considered an actual bishop: they are not heretics and they are not in communion with heretics. Therefore, any trouble with them is a great cause for concern.

Meanwhile, there is no less of a circus in "jurisdictions" of the heretics, in fact their circus is all the more greater, and usually involve a corruption in matters of faith, prostitutes, or large sums of money. But what does any of that matter really when they are not Orthodox in their faith to begin with? That is the real tragedy. So when they want to point out a "circus" in the ROCiE, it is like a corpse worried about the health of people who are alive.

Because of this, the phenomena StephenG mentions is not applicable, We are not comparing different color apples here, we are comparing good apples with ones that have rotted.

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Apples aside I am not sure my remarks are not applicable here. Certainly their seems to be a commonly held belief around that 'my' group is okay, but 'yours' is not.

True, a reaction to infection is both a sign of a healthy immune system in humans and the church. However I am not convinced that some of what one witnesses is not the response of an immune system but rather an illness - albeit spiritual. However, the picture is so confusing I cannot for the life work out who might be 'sick' or have embraced a false orthodoxy, and who has not.

What appears too common is a marked tendency to schism, and jurisdiction jumping and forming.

I recall someone writing of meeting a Ukrainian priest who said he would love to get all the bishops who observe the Church calendar together, lock them in a room or building and not let them out until their had thrashed out any differences. Would it could be done. (Just might get worried if they were to use white and grey smoke to signal to the outside world their progress or lack thereof).

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Ekaterina wrote:

I do not know Fr Alexander, but reading his posts over the last six months I have found him to be a well-written and articulate writer.

I don't believe that he is so articulate when few years ago he wrote against the MP and the MP has changed little or rather nothing from that time.

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Your Metropolitan was an MP priest for 30 years. Only he is capable of a changing his position, I suppose.

Funny how the MP started being "heretical" for Valentine after the fall of communism. Hmm...

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Your Metropolitan was an MP priest for 30 years. Only he is capable of a changing his position, I suppose.

Funny how the MP started being "heretical" for Valentine after the fall of communism. Hmm...

Funny how nobody questioned him about any of that when he was with ROCOR.

Anyone can change their heart. Sometimes it takes a big change in your life in order to see the error of your ways. Are you then going to be the judge of peoples hearts, whether they are authenticly converted or not?

The Holy Fathers warn not judge other mens hearts, and they also distinguished the difference of this, and discerning the faith a bishop preaches, demanding that we leave false bishops.

You have heard the phrase, "straining for a gnat and swallowing a camel?" I would burden my thoughts much more deeply on why so many of your bishops have betrayed Christ - isn't that more troubling to you?

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pjhatala wrote:

Your Metropolitan was an MP priest for 30 years. Only he is capable of a changing his position, I suppose.

Funny how the MP started being "heretical" for Valentine after the fall of communism. Hmm...

Here there is a popular said that it says "it is never too late for be repented"

St Mary of Egypt was a sinner, however, she repented.

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ioannis wrote:

Funny how nobody questioned him about any of that when he was with ROCOR.

Anyone can change their heart. Sometimes it takes a big change in your life in order to see the error of your ways. Are you then going to be the judge of peoples hearts, whether they are authenticly converted or not?

The Holy Fathers warn not judge other mens hearts, and they also distinguished the difference of this, and discerning the faith a bishop preaches, demanding that we leave false bishops.

You have heard the phrase, "straining for a gnat and swallowing a camel?" I would burden my thoughts much more deeply on why so many of your bishops have betrayed Christ - isn't that more troubling to you?

Ioannis, the "pope" of the e-cafe, who has, in the virtual world, been deciding where grace resides for the past three years is telling me not to judge. The man who has used the most vile language to describe hiearchs of the Orthodox Church past and present, while at the same time pretending to know their hearts is telling others not to judge.

I pray you will find your way back to the Church, or at least back to the world of rational thought.

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