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As HOCNA is on topic in the Traditional Orthodox Churches section of the Forum, would you like to see HOCNA added to the Map section of the Cafe with the other Old Calendarist Churches?

Yes

9
43%

No

12
57%
 
Total votes: 21

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Edward wrote:

"Personally, I have NEVER bought any of those items because I find their "interpretation" of English to be HORRIBLE. It is as bad as Fr. Laurence of Jordanville."

Your conclusions of their translations only illustrate your own ignorance of the English language. Anybody can find mistakes in any translation, including those of HTM, Jordanville, or Reader Issac Lambertson. However, from viewing your website, you seem to advocate the OCA English translations, which are probably some of the worst and most ridiculous out there. HTM's, Jordanville's, and Lambertson's translations certainly better reflect the meaning of the original Greek or Slavonic than your own alternatives. They also at least have a certain consistency and beauty as well. The OCA's standard of using "Thee, Thy, and Thou" for God, but "You" for everybody else is their own innovation. It does not reflect the grammar of Greek or Slavonic, which always uses 2nd person singular (Thee) in refering to God, the Theotokos, or an individual Saint. Secondly, in the English tradition, the same is the case in the KJV Bible and liturgical texts of the Anglican Church, upto the 1970s.
I currently attend and sing in the choir of an OCA Church, and there is so much textual inconsistency even when refering to God, sometimes using "Thee" othertimes "You". Sometimes, I would rather use Slavonic.
In all things, we ought to give our best to God, this should include our language. Many say that the English language is in decline, others that it is an inferior language to those of antiquity, but this could be further from the truth. The problem is not the langugage but those who speak the language and the fact that the vocabulary of the native English speaker is sadly in decline.
I would say that HTM, Jordanville, or Lambertson offer Orthodox Christians translations that attempt to illustrate the best of the English language and a style that is prayerful, reverent, and beautiful, while maintaining the meaning of Greek or Slavonic. This does not tend to be case with the translations coming out of the OCA or the Greek Archdiocese.

Edward

Writing from Russia....

Hey Ed, have you ever bothered to take the time to buy one of the books on my site or to write and ask me how many edits my books went through before I published them? Before judging my work, ask me what my standards are and who were the translators and editors.

For a fact I know that both Lambertson and Fr. Laurence did not have a standard by which they interpreted their "translations." They used "wehat sounded good." I was told this by one of the members of the ROCA translation committee (of which there are only three people).

So Eddy, before throwing stones, do a little research. Send me the money and buy something for you to see what I "advocate."

As for me never buying anything from HTM, I don't contribute to the DNC either because I do not countenance liars. I will not send my hard earned cash to a place that is guilty of immoral acts.

Nicholas

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Reader Nicholas wrote:

As for me never buying anything from HTM, I don't contribute to the DNC either because I do not countenance liars. I will not send my hard earned cash to a place that is guilty of immoral acts.

Nicholas

What is the DNC?

Priidite, poklonimsja i pripadem ko Hristu.

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Jean-Serge wrote:
Reader Nicholas wrote:

As for me never buying anything from HTM, I don't contribute to the DNC either because I do not countenance liars. I will not send my hard earned cash to a place that is guilty of immoral acts.

Nicholas

What is the DNC?

DNC = Democrat National Committee.

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Post by Edward »

Forgive me for offending you. However, I do admit that any translation will have its mistakes, but I think Holy Transfiguration Monastery do make pretty good translations. Should someone come along and make translations in traditional English (using 2nd person singular) that accurately the original Greek and Slavonic texts, which are better thanBoston's, Jordanville's, or Reader Isaac's, I think we will all be overjoyed.

Not too long ago, all we had were Hapgood and Nasar's translations, which were better than nothing.

As for your swipe at the DNC, I am certain that the GOP has much more innocent blood on its hands. The Democratic Party may be idealistic and corrupt, but the Republican Party is just plain evil.

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Innocent Blood

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Edward wrote:

As for your swipe at the DNC, I am certain that the GOP has much more innocent blood on its hands. The Democratic Party may be idealistic and corrupt, but the Republican Party is just plain evil.

More innocent blood than this? http://www.1way2god.net/tho_abortion_counter.html

In any event, I am a Christian Monarchist and not a Republican, although I find that I agree with the Conservative platform more often than not. Nevertheless, I will be sure to mention my political leanings in my next confession since those leanings are, in fact, "just plain evil."

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the GOP has much more innocent blood on its hands..... the Republican Party is just plain evil.

Oh, darn. You figured us out! We are busy trying to figure out who to kill, starve, or rob next! Now our plans are foiled!

Anastasios
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anastasios wrote:

the GOP has much more innocent blood on its hands..... the Republican Party is just plain evil.

Oh, darn. You figured us out! We are busy trying to figure out who to kill, starve, or rob next! Now our plans are foiled!

Anastasios
Supporter of the evil GOP

It's true. The GOP politicians aren't out there figuring out who to kill, starve, or rob next. They're only YESmen, like all politicians. The corporate oligarchy that has the GOP, DNC, and everyone else in America in their pockets, however, are killing, starving, and robbing people. The problem is that most people are too exhausted, distracted, and complacent to care or even notice. Everyone sees through the Emperor's Haliburton robe, except those who choose to look the other way. Where's a cossack horde when you need one?

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