MODERATION: The personal attacks are forbidden

[Priest Siluan]

Reader Nicholas:

I would advise you not to be so sarcastic.

Here the rule of Cafe from FAQs:

Must I address the clerics that post here by their proper titles?

Yes. Monks, deacons and priests of every rank should be addressed as Father n. and Bishops as Vladyka n. or Despota n. where n. is their Christian name. (Please do not use nicknames like Father Ted or Despota Chris!) Nuns are traditionally addresses as Mother n.. Monastic novices are called Brother n. or Sister n.. If you have severe reservations in doing this, then at the very least you must call them by their title (i.e. Schemamonk n., Archdeacon n., Protopresbyter n., Metropolitan n., etc.) Traditionally, readers and subdeacons have only called by their titles when they receive the Mysteries and as such may be called by their Baptismal name alone.

[Reader Nicholas]

Father,
I have known Nick since before his ROCOR baptism. If you bother to take the time and ask him who was responsible for naming the Cafe when it could no longer be called ROCOR cafe you would learn that I "baptized" the Cafe "Euphrosynos Cafe."

If Nick is offened that I do not address him as "Father Deacon" then it is HE who should be contacting me.

I will continue to watch the Cafe and be alert to see if "standards" are held against others who "slander" hierarchs, clerics or others.

Sacrasm had nothing to do with my reply and I notice FATHER that you failed to answer my question.

Nicholas

[Reader Nicholas]

Dear Nicholas,

This thread is gettign way off topic, but Monophysitism was already declared a heresy by the 4th-6th Ecumenical Councils, so communion and concelebrating with these very groups anathematized by these councils is already condemned, and a new Ecumenical Council is not needed to be called. Even the SIR calls them heretics in their writings, and since in heresy there is not Grace, the so-called moderate stance of grace-filled heretics is a new concept that causes confusion. If heretics have Grace, why should anyone leave them? What is an 8th Ecuemnical Council is called and it approves New Calendarism, Ecumenism, Sergianism, Renovationism, and/or union with the Pope of Rome? The SIR keeps saying no one can be called Graceless until an Ecumenical COuncil meets, but what is a so-called Ecumenical Council meets and approves heresy as many Church Fathers prophesized? This is the issue with so-called "moderate ecclesiology" a.k.a. "Cyprianism" and why we did not list churches on the map with this new ecclesiology of Archbishop Cyprian.

Nick,

I did not mention the Monophysites so I don't know you got that from. As far as I know, only the Antiochians are Communing with them.

If an Eigth Council is called and they were to do what you are suggesting, one is hopeful that another St. Nicholas would appear to punch out whomever is advocating Heresy.

Allow me a question my old friend, is your former "Archbishop Gregory" without Grace? If he is, then should not HOCNA also be without Grace?

Contrary to those who wich to stick their heads in sand we all know that the HTM was, at one time, a hot bed of homosexual activity. If he has ceased then Priase God.

So, as for the Orthodox, give us a list of who has, and who had not Grace. Or, is it a case of "I'll know who has it when I see it."

I really don't care if the parishes of Metropolitan Cyprian are listed on you map or not. I never asked that they should be.

The Church Fathers (Seraphim of Sarov to be exact) prophesied that a Romanov would return to the Throne of Russia when his body was returned to Sarov. Has that happened yet?

I am merely tryijng to point out that without love first there can not be Grace.

Nicholas

[Anastasios]

As for ROCOR being "ecumenical" in 1987, when HTM fled because the truth was being exposed, can you sight ONE example of that? And please, not Serbia or Jerusalem. ROCOR has been in communion with them since the 1920's

This directly contradicts what Fr John Shaw says all the time. Who's right?

Anastasios

[Reader Nicholas]

As for ROCOR being "ecumenical" in 1987, when HTM fled because the truth was being exposed, can you sight ONE example of that? And please, not Serbia or Jerusalem. ROCOR has been in communion with them since the 1920's

This directly contradicts what Fr John Shaw says all the time. Who's right?

Anastasios

Dear Anastasios,

My confessor is the sole surviving Ordained ROCOR priest who was once an Altar Boy to Metropolitan Antony whilst in Serbia. He would be the first to tell you ROCOR has been in Communion with Serbia since ROCOR landed there.

Nicholas

[Anastasios]

As for ROCOR being "ecumenical" in 1987, when HTM fled because the truth was being exposed, can you sight ONE example of that? And please, not Serbia or Jerusalem. ROCOR has been in communion with them since the 1920's

This directly contradicts what Fr John Shaw says all the time. Who's right?

Anastasios

Dear Anastasios,

My confessor is the sole surviving Ordained ROCOR priest who was once an Altar Boy to Metropolitan Antony whilst in Serbia. He would be the first to tell you ROCOR has been in Communion with Serbia since ROCOR landed there.

Nicholas

Oh, sorry, I misread what you wrote Sorry!! Fr John Shaw and you agree then.

Anastasios

[尼古拉前执事]

If Nick is offened that I do not address him as "Father Deacon" then it is HE who should be contacting me.

I will continue to watch the Cafe and be alert to see if "standards" are held against others who "slander" hierarchs, clerics or others.

Dear Nicholas,

This has nothing to do with being offended, it is simply the rule of the cafe, that any clergy who post here shall be called by their proper honorific or title. Others have been warned when they have failed to use proper titles with other clergy in the past and it will continue in the future. It is all a part of posters having a decorum of respect for one another at the cafe.