MODERATION: The personal attacks are forbidden

[Reader Nicholas]

sorry Nick, I miswrote. I meant to say that "strict'ecclisiology" DOES NOT allow for Christian Love.

[spiridon]

This is gonna be totally off topic, i rhink , But what about the Fr.Seraphim Nassar, in who`s jurisdiction was he under and how may I ]get more info on his life and what happened to him?
You know he translated the Arabic service book that was Blessed by St.Tikhon to be translated from the slovanic, and very thick book it is with alot of info in it...

[尼古拉前执事]

Just a quick clarification, this is the rules we came up with for the map alone, but we welcome all members of the HOCNA, Synod In Resistance, the Lamians/Makarians, Milan Synod, et al to post here and we do not discriminate against them here on the forum.

As for HOCNA, in the specific sense, I appreciate them for the many publications and icons they sell and am greatful for their contributions to putting Orthodox services in English.

[尼古拉前执事]

Dear Nicholas,

This thread is gettign way off topic, but Monophysitism was already declared a heresy by the 4th-6th Ecumenical Councils, so communion and concelebrating with these very groups anathematized by these councils is already condemned, and a new Ecumenical Council is not needed to be called. Even the SIR calls them heretics in their writings, and since in heresy there is not Grace, the so-called moderate stance of grace-filled heretics is a new concept that causes confusion. If heretics have Grace, why should anyone leave them? What is an 8th Ecuemnical Council is called and it approves New Calendarism, Ecumenism, Sergianism, Renovationism, and/or union with the Pope of Rome? The SIR keeps saying no one can be called Graceless until an Ecumenical COuncil meets, but what is a so-called Ecumenical Council meets and approves heresy as many Church Fathers prophesized? This is the issue with so-called "moderate ecclesiology" a.k.a. "Cyprianism" and why we did not list churches on the map with this new ecclesiology of Archbishop Cyprian.

[Sean]

Reader Nicholas: Don't talk to me about Christian love when you "personally slander" the Elder and our bishops. It was the Synod of Bishops of ROCOR under St. Philaret that declared ecumenism and those in communion with it ANATHEMA. It doesn't surprise me that you know nothing of this COUNCIL held in Mansonville in 1983, as the Sergianist turncoats who have hijacked ROCOR have done such a thorough job of "re-education". ("It's time to know our history everyone! St. John raised money for the Red Army...We've always respected the sacrifice of Sergius Stragorodsky...St. Philaret was a country bumpkin from Harbin who ruined the church..." ad nauseum) We left ROCOR over multiple violations of the Canons. These instances fill up an entire book which our monastery in Boston graciously sends to enquirers. From the tone of your posts and the hatred you have for the fathers at HTM and HOCNA, I'm sure I've already wasted an entire paragraph on you. People like you are the reason I left ROCOR, and I will be responding to no more of your clap-trap.

Fr. Nicholas: First of all, as a clergyman you show a great deal of humility in allowing yourself to be called "Nick," by those who have such "Christian love" for you. As I said before, I don't believe the charges levelled against Met. Valentine or the fathers at HTM, and if Met. Valentine's name has been cleared in Russia, I glorify God for it! However, the people who gave me my information were clergymen and hierarchs in ROCOR. The information that you have about HOCNA came from the same deceitful source. What a lot of people don't know is that when we petitioned Blessed Abp. Afksentios to be recieved into the True Orthodox Church of Greece, he also conducted an investigation of these charges and held an ecclesiastical trial, and the Holy Synod found the charges to be trumped up and groundless. This is also reinforced by the fact that all the young men who accused the elder, so they could leave their monastic vows and get married, never sought legal recourse in a secular court. This is because our American justice system, however flawed, would have conducted a thourough, nonbiassed investigation of the charges, and if the plaintiffs were discovered to be lying, they would have gotten in BIG trouble.
You have valid reasons for the charges against your leader as do we for ours. Forgive me Father, but your opinions about HOCNA seem to be grounded more in preference than conscience.

[Priest Siluan]

sorry Nick, I miswrote. I meant to say that "strict'ecclisiology" DOES NOT allow for Christian Love.

Dear Reader Nicholas:

In this Cafe has certain rules and one of these don't allow to anyone call to a clergyman only for his name, I have seen that frequently you have violated this rule; I just want warn you that if you continue with this behavior we should be forced to ban you.

In Christ

Priest Siluan
Moderator

[Reader Nicholas]

sorry Nick, I miswrote. I meant to say that "strict'ecclisiology" DOES NOT allow for Christian Love.

Dear Reader Nicholas:

In this Cafe has certain rules and one of these don't allow to anyone call to a clergyman only for his name, I have seen that frequently you have violated this rule; I just want warn you that if you continue with this behavior we should be forced to ban you.

In Christ

Priest Siluan
Moderator

Which clergyman? Will the same standars be held to those who claim that Metropolitan Cyprian is "deposed" ?

Nicholas Trahan