Israeli Army Shell a picnic, kill Seven!!

[DavidHawthorne]

The Pogroms were justified[/quote]

As a matter of curiousity, do you also believe the Holocaust was justified or should pogroms be limited to the village level out of Christian kindness?

Rd. David

[StephenG]

You make very bold statments and offer nothing to substantiate or elucidate the point you wish to make.

In the time of Our Saviour's earthly mission he was asked, who is my neighbour? And of all the examples he might have offered, he offered that of the Good Samaritan. And of all people's none were more detested by the Jews of that time (of which Our Lord as truly man was one, his Blessed Mother and all the Apostles). That example was truly shocking to those who heard it.

Now you a private individual make a bold assertion and consign that of one of the most senior Russian bishops of his time, a luminary according to Patriarch Barnabas, the Serbian Patriarch of blessed memory.

In my mind is your's an attempt to accurately and sincerely bring one back to the mind of the Church, or the attempt of someone with a problem of Jew hating and hiding behind piety, whether consciously or not.

Forgive me for being direct but I have a long record of serious criticism of both the IDF, and Israeli double standards toward Palestinians and their own policies and actions. (And in doing so risk both being called an 'anti-Semite and the wrath of certain groups). This is a secular but very important matter. I am also one who believes there will be an anti-Christ, and that many will follow him including many clergy, monastics and laity alike.

But I have also been in church with three Russian women when many of the faithful did not come, and stood for long hours when others came late, sat, fidgetted and wondered in and out. But the three Russian women stood fast, nothing to chose between them in their expressions of piety. One Orthodox Christian, and two Jews. Come the time of the anti-Christ who will stand firm? The late comers or those who did not attend, or those three women?

If I have offended you, it is not my intent and ask your forgiveness.

[Ebor]

You make very bold statments and offer nothing to substantiate or elucidate the point you wish to make.

If you read some of Mr./Ms. Iconophili's posts and threads you will see the same pattern. Bald assertions, wild statements and parrotted ideas from other Conspiracy Theorist Sites repeated over and over without any serious documentation or support from reliable sources. There will also be insistance that he/she posts the views of the EO Church, no matter if other posters who have been established as being EO disagree. Then there will be the insults and declarations that disagreeing ideas have been "debunked" without any actual counter arguement or discussion. Either he/she has a different definition of "debunked" or does not realize that merely repeating something does not make it true.

In my mind is your's an attempt to accurately and sincerely bring one back to the mind of the Church, or the attempt of someone with a problem of Jew hating and hiding behind piety, whether consciously or not.

If you read some of the threads I think you may find your answer there.

But I have also been in church with three Russian women when many of the faithful did not come, and stood for long hours when others came late, sat, fidgetted and wondered in and out. But the three Russian women stood fast, nothing to chose between them in their expressions of piety. One Orthodox Christian, and two Jews. Come the time of the anti-Christ who will stand firm? The late comers or those who did not attend, or those three women?

A wonderful story and one to remember.

Ebor

[Ebor]

The Pogroms were justified.

And your personal opinion on why this is the case is?!?...

Terror and pain and death are "justified"? And what does our Master Jesus say about loving other Human Beings? Even those one might think are "enemies"?

if they were not The Church and Saints would have spoken against them in a "Official" way, this is just thier (Father Nikolai / Metropolitan Antony of Kiev) personol opinion.

And who are you to judge a Metropolitan that it is "just a personal opinion"? :ohvey:

Ebor

[ICONOPHILI]

You make very bold statments and offer nothing to substantiate or elucidate the point you wish to make.

In the time of Our Saviour's earthly mission he was asked, who is my neighbour? And of all the examples he might have offered, he offered that of the Good Samaritan. And of all people's none were more detested by the Jews of that time (of which Our Lord as truly man was one, his Blessed Mother and all the Apostles). That example was truly shocking to those who heard it.

Now you a private individual make a bold assertion and consign that of one of the most senior Russian bishops of his time, a luminary according to Patriarch Barnabas, the Serbian Patriarch of blessed memory.

In my mind is your's an attempt to accurately and sincerely bring one back to the mind of the Church, or the attempt of someone with a problem of Jew hating and hiding behind piety, whether consciously or not.

Forgive me for being direct but I have a long record of serious criticism of both the IDF, and Israeli double standards toward Palestinians and their own policies and actions. (And in doing so risk both being called an 'anti-Semite and the wrath of certain groups). This is a secular but very important matter. I am also one who believes there will be an anti-Christ, and that many will follow him including many clergy, monastics and laity alike.

But I have also been in church with three Russian women when many of the faithful did not come, and stood for long hours when others came late, sat, fidgetted and wondered in and out. But the three Russian women stood fast, nothing to chose between them in their expressions of piety. One Orthodox Christian, and two Jews. Come the time of the anti-Christ who will stand firm? The late comers or those who did not attend, or those three women?

If I have offended you, it is not my intent and ask your forgiveness.

Not impreesed with your NON-Orthodox ideology that "Questioning-Critisising the jews is hatred", and Like I said before The Church in Russia/ Saints would have spoken against "The Pogroms" in Broadway" if they were bad.

[ICONOPHILI]

The Pogroms were justified.

And your personal opinion on why this is the case is?!?...

Terror and pain and death are "justified"? And what does our Master Jesus say about loving other Human Beings? Even those one might think are "enemies"?

if they were not The Church and Saints would have spoken against them in a "Official" way, this is just thier (Father Nikolai / Metropolitan Antony of Kiev) personol opinion.

And who are you to judge a Metropolitan that it is "just a personal opinion"? :ohvey:

Ebor

I never said "Terror and pain and death are "justified"? what you just posted is a lie, and you should be Punished for coming here spreading that lie, but your of the world what should I have expected this question of your (And who are you to judge a Metropolitan that it is "just a personal opinion"? :ohvey:)
is asked because your outside the Church you don't understand how the Church functions, The Conscession Of The Bishops of The Russian Church AND Russian Saints" would have spoken against the Pogroms if it wasn't Justified.

[DavidHawthorne]

I think the word Iconophili has in mind is "consensus"?