8th Ecumenical Council?

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8th Ecumenical Council?

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I have been hearing about an 8th Ecumenical Council. Do you think it will really happen? Supposedly they are going to decide about the Calendar issue and possibly shorten the fasts. What I don't get though is this: what issue with the Calendar? It was resolved centuries before: its plain and simple, if these "bishops" read the anathemas, they will realize they are in error, I see no reason to hold a Council for this. And why shorten the fasts? I have a feeling this "Ecumenical Council" will be more of a "Ecumenical" disaster (maybe they could name it, "The First Ecumenical Council of Disaster and Heresy" lol).

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Maybe with Faith, the fasts will be affirmed and the Calendar as well.

Remember in the first councel, though the Arians outnumbered the Orthodox, by God's Grace, the Orthodox won.

Why do we always look on the dark side? We should rejoice at the opportunity to be crucified with Christ, to be mocked, to be spit upon and to proclaim the Truth boldly.

The Orthodox Calendar is the True Calendar and this is made apparent by the Holy Spirit. Let us reject the Calendar innovation. Then the council will either be a council of robbers (if it rejects the truth) or a council of Orthodox (if it accepts the Truth) but in any case, it is an opportunity to speak the plain Truth - Christ is Risen! and Holy Saturday's Holy Fire affirms the Orthodox Calendar. Christ is Born! and the blooming of the Holy Thorn affirms the Orthodox Calendar. The wise men have found the Lord, and the Star still appears in the Shepherd's field as the wise men followed the star and heard the report of the Shepherds.

So the wise are simple, and the simple are wise and all things of Holy Scripture are perfectly True and made simple. The All-Good Holy and Life Giving Spirit is still here today and affirms the Truth of the Calendar and traduces the foolish innovation.

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Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

Many Church Fathers wrote of an "8th Ecumenical Council" that would be a precursor to the Anti-Christ, not unlike the rebuilding of the Temple of Jerusalem and setting it up as the 4th Rome.

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Post by AndyHolland »

:D
Way to look on bright side - couldn't help it.
:D

I would actually be interested in some links to such writings. I don't remember that one but it would be instructive.

What about those who insist there have been 9 counsels? OK - the WO insist there were 7 so that is why its called the 8th - got it.

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Post by Myrrh »

The 8th has already been. Called the 8th at the time, referred to as the eighth Ecumenical Council in the Encyclical of the Eastern Patriarchs 1848 signed by the patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem.

"xi. It [filioque] was subjected to anathema, as a novelty and augmentation of the Creed, by the eighth Ecumenical Council, congregated at Constantinople for the pacification of the Eastern and Western Churches."

"..the Papacy. Some of the Bishops of that City, styled Popes, for example Leo III and John VIII, did indeed, as has been said, denounce the innovation, and published the denunciation to the world, the former by those silver plates, the latter by his letter to the holy Photius at the eighth Ecumenical Council, ..."

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About a century (?) after the Photios/John VIII (?) the RC reverted back to the previous "eighth" which ousted Photios and claimed papal supremacy, so the RC would rather forget the eighth altogether I think, as it brings it back into discussion - this was certainly the idea behind lifting the anathema's because then the joint statement said something about 'putting the mistakes of the misguided fathers behind us' or some such words. (Sorry for the question marks and such, will look these up over the weekend - unless anyone can post them earlier)

And, I think the Russians limited it to 7 under the Jesuit influence which Peter the not so Great brought in to Russia because he admired their education.

What's interesting is why these same patriarchs who took as read that the 8th was a done thing should now be talking about holding an eighth.

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An interestnig thing is brought out in that Encyclical. I thought that the custom of unleavened bread in the west was ancient compared to the schism? Does anyone know if that is true?

If that is true, why does it become a problem later because one is in essence anathematizing those before 1054. And with regard to 1054, the Pope's legates anathematized the Patriarch and the Patriarch the papal legates. Technically the anathemas were not between the entire Orthodox nor the entire Church in the West.

So why were ancient christian traditions anathematized?

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Re: 8th Ecumenical Council?

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drewmeister2 wrote:

(Forgive me if there is already a topic about this)

I have been hearing about an 8th Ecumenical Council. Do you think it will really happen? Supposedly they are going to decide about the Calendar issue and possibly shorten the fasts. What I don't get though is this: what issue with the Calendar? It was resolved centuries before: its plain and simple, if these "bishops" read the anathemas, they will realize they are in error, I see no reason to hold a Council for this. And why shorten the fasts? I have a feeling this "Ecumenical Council" will be more of a "Ecumenical" disaster (maybe they could name it, "The First Ecumenical Council of Disaster and Heresy" lol).

It's funny you should bring this up, last year my Greek friend told me of Propheices, about the 8th Council, he said they'll be a Fasle 8th Council, called to create a "one world religion, but God will stop it, by allowing World War 3 to happen, after that The Emperor Of The Roman Empire who rulled in the first half of the 13th Century will come bake to life and Call a Real "Holy" 8th Council and Orthodoxy will spread to the East and West, he said the Prophecies say the Pope will no longer exist and they'll be a Ortodox Partiarch for Western Europe, after about a Generation, he sai the Propecies say the ANtiChrist will then come.

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