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What do you believe vis a vis Creationism vs. Darwinism?

I believe in creationism like the Holy Fathers and Bible teach

20
83%

I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution and think the Church Fathers were wrong

2
8%

I am not sure yet, I need to read more Patristics and scientific theories

2
8%
 
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Creationism dismissed as a kind of paganism by Vatican

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Fri 5 May 2006
Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's astronomer
IAN JOHNSTON

BELIEVING that God created the universe in six days is a form of superstitious paganism, the Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno claimed yesterday.

Brother Consolmagno, who works in a Vatican observatory in Arizona and as curator of the Vatican meteorite collection in Italy, said a "destructive myth" had developed in modern society that religion and science were competing ideologies.

He described creationism, whose supporters want it taught in schools alongside evolution, as a "kind of paganism" because it harked back to the days of "nature gods" who were responsible for natural events.

Brother Consolmagno argued that the Christian God was a supernatural one, a belief that had led the clergy in the past to become involved in science to seek natural reasons for phenomena such as thunder and lightning, which had been previously attributed to vengeful gods. "Knowledge is dangerous, but so is ignorance. That's why science and religion need to talk to each other," he said.

"Religion needs science to keep it away from superstition and keep it close to reality, to protect it from creationism, which at the end of the day is a kind of paganism - it's turning God into a nature god. And science needs religion in order to have a conscience, to know that, just because something is possible, it may not be a good thing to do."

Brother Consolmagno, who was due to give a speech at the Glasgow Science Centre last night, entitled "Why the Pope has an Astronomer", said the idea of papal infallibility had been a "PR disaster". What it actually meant was that, on matters of faith, followers should accept "somebody has got to be the boss, the final authority".

"It's not like he has a magic power, that God whispers the truth in his ear," he said.

This article: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=674042006
Last updated: 05-May-06 10:21 BST

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Re: Creationism dismissed as a kind of paganism by Vatican

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Νικολάος Διάκ wrote:

Brother Consolmagno, who works in a Vatican observatory in Arizona and as curator of the Vatican meteorite collection in Italy...

Since when was there a Vatican observatory in AZ?

Umm... wow... I'm not quite sure what to think of that.

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Amazing............

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Let's see........Christians who take the Biblical Creation account literally are on the level of pagan nature worshippers and papal infallibility is nothing more than a PR blunder about who's in charge of the RCC.......... it's a shame when such learned individuals are quoted as authorities on subjects in which they are apparently ignorant.

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The Vatican has always gotten its science wrong, even when it is trying to be scientific. Evolution going to Origin is a scientific fraud, and a naturalist religion of science having nothing to do with reality.

As for the literal 24 hour six day creation and the whole debate:

from II Peter 3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Though certain Fathers, St. Basil and St. Ephraim counsel against it, it seems reading II Peter and knowing modern science (Special and General Theory of Relativity) that one can safely believe in a literal 24 hour 6 day creation spanning billions of years - both being cronological and congruent. This is thanks to Reimann (a believer) who beat Einstein and Lorentz by decades, and one can enfold such concepts into a view that is both literal, liturgical and scientific.

In other words, it is well known even scientifically that a thousands years can be in a day, and a day in a thousand years even in a Chronological sense!

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A trivial argument that disproves evolution is found in the chemical reaction

C + O2 -> CO2 + energy

Plants take in allot of energy to separate C and O2 to scrub the atmosphere. This is inherently inefficient for them and counter to the notion that mere survival or selection processes are involved in the ascent of sentient beings.

Faith is like a mustard seed.

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BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTIONISM

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Evolution, Creationism, and the Orthodox Church

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Why an Orthodox Christian cannot be an evolutionist
S.V.Bufeev
http://www.creatio.orthodoxy.ru/sbornik ... glish.html

What is the Orthodox position on Darwinian evolution or lack thereof? I am of the persuasion that "evolution" and "creationism" are thoroughly Western concepts, and that we should rely on the patristic witness for the interpretation of Scripture.

Discuss...

Peace.

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