Moderator: Mark Templet
Are traditionnalist orthodoxjurisdiction in communion with world orthodox jurisdictions? If yes, is this official or unofficial?
For instance, what if a world orthodox person wants to commune in a Trad church? Is he allowed to do so? Under which circumstances?
Is a Traditionnalist orthodox who communes in a world orthodox church automatically excommuniated from his trad church?
What is the practice in ROAC, GOC, ROCIE, ROCOR and others?
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I don't think it is ever permitted (at least in a truly Orthodox parish) for modernist "Orthodox" to commune lawfully in a True Orthodox parish. The World Orthodox are outside the Church according to the Anathema set in place by the three Greek bishops of the GOC in 1935. Non-Orthodox cannot commune in a Orthodox parish. I would gather the reverse is true. If a True Orthodox Christian communes at a World Orthodox parish, they are excommunited I would have to say. It would be like them communing at a Roman Catholic parish (as both World Orthodox and RC's are in heresy). I don't know of any GOC (excluding Cyprian's Synod) who would ever commune NC's, and I don't believe ROAC or ROCiE commune modernists at all either. ROCOR-Laurus I know does, as I know people who go to ROCOR-L parishes and go to Greek "Orthodox" parishes as well (who are on the New Calendar). This is the sad apostasy of Laurus.
2+ ROAC groups don't commune with world Orthodoxy.
GOC and the half dozen or more hardline Greek Old Calendarists don't commune with world Orthodoxy (though some in the GOC would be open to communion, they don't normally say so too publically).
3+ ROCIE groups don't commune with world Orthodoxy.
Synod of Met. Cyprian communes with Old Calendar Bulgarians and Romanians, but none in world Orthodoxy.
ROCOR communes with the Serbian Patriarchate officially, the Jerusalem Patriarchate semi-officially, and the Moscow Patriarchate and various other world Orthodox groups unofficially.
There are not 2 ROAC groups. If you are talking of Gregory's synod of 1, then he is calling himself the "Genuine Orthodox Church of America" not ROAC. He only played that game for a short while.
As for ROCiE, the one in Russia that broke off is calling itself the TROC now, and I do not know if it is true, but there are stories saying the European ROCiE that broke off joined ROCOR-L.
As for groups using the GOC name, there is the GOC of Chrysostomos II, the Matthewites and the Lamians. Since the Lamian left the GOC for the same reasons the HOCNA left the ROCOR, most do not count them as a GOC.
As for the ROCOR, I seem to recall you contacting the Serbian Metropolitan in America and he said there was no communion between the SOC and ROCOR? That situation was always very vague.
There are not 2 ROAC groups. If you are talking of Gregory's synod of 1, then he is calling himself the "Genuine Orthodox Church of America" not ROAC. He only played that game for a short while.
I was aware of three, though things change so quickly with the old calendarists that my information might be out of date! 
I was thinking of ROAC-L (Lourie), ROAC-G (Gregory), and ROAC-V (Valentine). It doesn't concern me what these people call themselves, but only where they got their formation or most authoritative standing (e.g., where they were consecrated or ordained). If you prefer, I could just call two of them "former ROAC" and still answer the original question in the exact same way.
As for ROCiE, the one in Russia that broke off is calling itself the TROC now, and I do not know if it is true, but there are stories saying the European ROCiE that broke off joined ROCOR-L.
Again, what they call themselves it not particularly important in answering the question. I can't keep up with the half dozen schisms or more in distant parts of the world. To me, they're all the same type of eggs in the same type of basket.
As for groups using the GOC name, there is the GOC of Chrysostomos II, the Matthewites and the Lamians. Since the Lamian left the GOC for the same reasons the HOCNA left the ROCOR, most do not count them as a GOC.
Well, in the case of the GOC I only listed one, and left the rest to a vague, other "old calendarists" grouping. But there must be a half dozen (if not a dozen) Greek Old Calendarists, none of which are in communion with anyone else.
As for the ROCOR, I seem to recall you contacting the Serbian Metropolitan in America and he said there was no communion between the SOC and ROCOR? That situation was always very vague
Well it's odd to hear someone in ROAC arguing against ROCOR communing with the Serbs. That's a new one on me! It was vague, admittedly, and probably purposely so (you can thank the revered ROCOR hierarchs of years gone by for that vagueness... Laurus tricks people, Philaret just politically maneuvers I guess). In any case, ROCOR said quite explicitly in 2000 or 2001 that they were in communion with Serbia, and the Serbs have concelebrated here in America with ROCOR a few times since then. The bishop was wrong if he didn't think the SOC was in communion with the ROCOR -- it wouldn't be the first time a bishop was wrong, Chrysostom said that the majority of bishops are wrong and in for a world of hurt on judgment day (Homily 3 on Acts).
Well there are just as many groups calling themselves 'part of so-called World Orthodoxy' or ordained or blessed by the MP or EP, and this does not make them so.
Lourie is in ROAC, but deposed. His being is ROAC may change soon, but there is no ROAC-L nor ROAC-G. Only one ROAC. Just like there is only one ROCiE for sure and one split-off group, the RTOC.
As for ROCOR, I just wanted to explain the situation best as I could. At one time it was vague for sure, and after the anathema against ecumenism there was supposed to be no communion nor concelebrations.
But to get back on topic, there are currently 4 Churches that will be on this map. The GOC (Chrysostomos II), the Matthewites, the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church, and the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile) So far we have about 50 parishes, monasteries, convents and missions listed in these 4 Churches in North America. We will have South America added very soon too and then will be adding Europe, Asia and Australlia. When we do this, we may add the TROC too.
"But to get back on topic, there are currently 4 Churches that will be on this map. The GOC (Chrysostomos II), the Matthewites, the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church, and the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile) So far we have about 50 parishes, monasteries, convents and missions listed in these 4 Churches in North America. We will have South America added very soon too and then will be adding Europe, Asia and Australlia. When we do this, we may add the TROC too."
It will be interesting to see your map and their locations. May I suggest that since these are in essence the only "recognized" traditional churches at this time who are deemed worthy to merit a spot on the map, that you remove the others who don't qualify, and relegate them to the "World Orthodoxy" section. As a "World Orthodox" member on this board, I embrace them and welcome them. After all, each and everyone of them was created in the image of God. Of course, I would embrace the remaining traditionalists as well if given an opportunity, for they too were created in that same image, but alas, I sense the sentiment that I would not receive an embrace back.
The World Orthodox, are like the Samaritans of old, Publican, or better yet leper. I accept that. All the better of signifying our sinful state and that we are seeking the healing of soul and body from our Lord, King and Savior Jesus Christ.
Your fellow struggler in Christ,
Rd. Chrysostomos