ROCOR in WCC?

[Kollyvas]

It seems that there are some who have neither words nor acts who criticize those who have both. Moreover, when the time came for them to "speak out" and "act," they were silent. As such, they have no credibility. There are still others trying to justify ecumenism in their midst and they remain silent even when at least ONE MEMBER OF THE MP provided them with all the necessary documentation to address the topic. There is a sea of much more information to be had. No, it seems that these "ersatz" resisters simply wish to attack others and not at all stand on principle or engage topic. Again, I have made my witness known and clear AS A MEMBER OF THE MP, and I do engage members of "world Orthodoxy." FACTA NON VERBA.
R

[AndyHolland]

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

We don't have to judge others, so we shouldn't. Why not let God judge? Isn't the one who made the earth, the sea, the universe and all that it is and is in it far more qualified to judge than each of us alone?

But what did the Lord command us to do?

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

So if a Bishop endeavors to do such a work with the wcc, denying himself and exposing himself to insults from every quarter, how is it he is condemned by those who are warned to judge not? All the wcc members baptize, but they do not observe all things that the Lord commanded us. Therefore, shouldn't they be so instructed?

Don't we, who believe Jesus Christ is Lord and will judge all men in accordance with their works, need to be more circumspect and careful about judging others? Maybe it is not wise to join the wcc, but isn't that a matter of opinion subject to human fallibility?

Shouldn't a Holy Synod decide these matters in accordance with Canon law? Shouldn't such a Holy Synod hear all sides before deciding the matter?

Doesn't the Bishop make a good point, in that the heresy of those church communities does not include denial of the Lordship of Jesus Christ, nor a denial of the Holy Trinity? Therefore, they are not as heretical as Arians for example, or even those who served with Basil the Great?

andy holland
wretched sinner

[Kollyvas]

Mr. Jean Serge,

Your reply awaits...Surely, you have a well constructed critique of ecumenism. Share it with us. Witness the pathos of your resistance. I have already offered mine with ample documentation.
R

[Jean-Serge]

Mr. Jean Serge,

Your reply awaits...Surely, you have a well constructed critique of ecumenism. Share it with us. Witness the pathos of your resistance. I have already offered mine with ample documentation.
R

The well constructed critique of ecumenism has been detailed by men like Saint Justin of Celije, Saint Philaret of NY etc... i f one agrree with them, I do not know why he does nothing to fight ecumenism with concrete means in his jurisdiction : have you written to your bishop in MP, to the synod to make a canonical trial etc... I did when I was in world orthodoxy and seeing the "blocage" I left...

But what are your real acts against ecumenism Sir Kollyvas, excepting posting on this forum? Why haven' you written to the red synod, to display how Hilarion of Viena was theologically uncorrect in his ecclesiology? If you id, did you get an answer? Which one?

[Kollyvas]

Evlogeite.
Actually, I began writing about these evils a long time ago, firstly in the early 1990s, where Fr. John Kassatkin duly considered my point of view and with the blessing of then +Bishop Makary of Klin, I was offered a full scholarship to study theology at St. Petersburg Theological Academy. I chose Holy Trinity in Jordanville instead. Both within and without of the "resister movement" I noticed alot of paper tigers on both sides of the issues. Sanctimoniousness was usually reserved to low level partizans who really acted. I myself have confronted Priests and written to Bishops, within and without resistance, always receiving the near identical answer, "branch theory is heresy and we recognize Orthodoxy is the Church, the only Church." Responses do tend to differ, for instance when the question of ecumenical participation is raised, from "this is shameful and will soon come to an end" to "our participation on social issues reinforces general Christian morality and quietly witnesses Orthodoxy" to "valuable resources come out of our participation in the ecumenical movement without which at this time we would be challenged both at home and abroad." All that being said, one of the things I learned of value was THAT I WAS NOT A POPE, the Orthodox Church works in Sobornost' and that the momentum was arrayed against the ecumenists and continued pressure would eventually bring about an end and condemnation of ecumenism. curiously, there were no resisters in Thessaloniki in 2004, not even ROCOR, yet ecumenism was set upon death watch. Moreover, I also learned that voices in resistance were almost always greeted with deaf ears and that when the various resisters did mount protests, which was seldom, they were often self-dissuaded and their work bore little fruit. It's not that you don't manifest fruits of resistance to ecumenism, as this is all too common, it's that you condemn others who do rather than trying to improve things. Red, white or green, that often is a sign of a lack of courage in ones convictions. Moreover, when there is NO actual resistance but only baiting and namecalling, it becomes clear that the only thing put forward is heckling, and that carries no weight either by Patristic witness or Canonical force. It tends to be self-condemnatory as well. Your quiet admission that for whatever reason you do not engage in resistance allows a shadow to rise over the figure of a man and betray the impotence of condemnation without substance. I must underscore, however, that your credibility is in need of a panikhida.
Orthodoxia I Thanatos!
Rostislav Mikhailovich Malleev-Pokrovsky, a faithful son of the Mother Church, actively and mainfestly resisting ecumenism...

[Jean-Serge]

Kollyvas said to me "I must underscore, however, that your credibility is in need of a panikhida."

At least, this proves my credibility is orthodox :mrgreen:

Please, worry about your own credibility because many people here even do not read your messages...

[Kollyvas]

I've made my point. Vjechnaja Pamjat'!
R