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An Exchange: OCA Website & St. John Of SF

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(Let Them know what you think.--R)

To: info@oca.org

Why is it you don't have a life and commemoration for St. John of San Francisco or the Holy Royal Martyrs or Holy New Martyr Grand Duchess Elizabeth on your site? Have you finally recognized the glorification of St. John of Kronstadt? Why is there still this sectarian Parisian line at work in the OCA?! Seriously, the Mother Church recognizes the Royal Martyrs as Saints as well HNM GD Elizabeth. You have monasteries and parishes dedicated to St. John of San Francisco. St. John of Kronstadt was glorified by the Mother Church in 1984. Why do you continue to resist the Spirit?! Ugly Parisian politics. Shame on you! BTW, you should begin the process of investigation Blessed +Metropolitan Leonty for glorification.
Rostislav Mikhailovich Malleev-Pokrovsky

RESPONSE:
The OCA recognizes all of these individuals as saints. We are working on
adding the lives of additional saints, but with only a few workers and
little resources, we cannot do everything at once. As time permits, we add
additional saint's lives.

Shame on you for assuming that they are not posted for reasons that are
hardly true. The kind thing to do would have been to enquire as to why they
are not posted, rather than to make uncharitable and hardly Christian
assumptions.

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To: tocmed@hotmail.com :

My assumptions are based on my past experiences, AS A MEMBER OF THE OCA, at having to endure being told "Father John of Kronstadt" was "too political to be a Saint" or that the Tsar' Martyr was "Bloody Nicholas" or that the "schismatic Synod could never produce Saints." (I could mention the names of certain past faded lights of the theodosian era: Frs. Oleksa, Jorgensen, Dirga, et al.) So I think the issue of "being charitable" is rather CYNICALLY addressed. FYI, I am LOYAL TO THE MOSCOW PATRIARCHATE. If you would like, I would be glad to assemble materials for you that you would be able to edit at your leisure. Out of filial charity and due consideration I would gladly do anything to address omissions which the stones seem to cry out about....What of the work on the glorification of Blessed +Metropoltan Leonty?
In the LOVE of Christ,
Rostislav

Response:

YOU WRITE: My assumptions are based on my past experiences, AS A MEMBER OF
THE OCA, at having to endure being told "Father John of Kronstadt" was "too
political to be a Saint"...
RESPONSE: Very strange. Don't know who told you this, but the person
surely was not expressing the OCA's understanding. Hardly an "official"
statement. If what you had been told was the position of the OCA, then we
surely would not have parishes dedicated to St. John of Kronstadt.

YOU WRITE: ...or that the Tsar' Martyr was "Bloody Nicholas" or that the
"schismatic Synod could never produce Saints."
RESPONSE: Again, rather ridiculous, since OCA clergy -- myself included --
joined Metropolitan Herman and other OCA bishops at the glorification of the
Royal Family in Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow in 2000. What
"schismatic Synod" is being referred to? Hardly the Holy Synod of the
Russian Orthodox Church, which celebrated the canonization and at which our
own hierarchs and clergy concelebrated!

YOU WRITE: (I could mention the names of certain past faded lights of the
theodosian era: Frs. Oleksa, Jorgensen, Dirga, et al.)
RESPONSE: I find it rather hard to believe that some of these individuals
would have said this.

YOU WRITE: So I think the issue of "being charitable" is rather CYNICALLY
addressed. FYI, I am LOYAL TO THE MOSCOW PATRIARCHATE.
RESPONSE: Obviously, since the OCA hierarchs concelebrated at the
glorification of the Royal Family, the OCA has no problem with the Moscow
Patriarchate, does it?

YOU WRITE: If you would like, I would be glad to assemble materials for you
that you would be able to edit at your leisure.
RESPONSE: We would be happy to receive materials, although when they could
be edited is hard to say. We are extremely short staffed and cannot say
when we could get to such a project.

YOU WRITE: What of the work on the glorification of Blessed +Metropoltan
Leonty?
RESPONSE: Recently the OCA Holy Synod agreed that this is not going to be
pursued in the immediate future.

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To: tocmed@hotmail.com:

In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:27:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tocmed@hotmail.com writes:

Glory To Jesus Christ!
YOU WRITE: My assumptions are based on my past experiences, AS A MEMBER OF
THE OCA, at having to endure being told "Father John of Kronstadt" was "too
political to be a Saint"...
RESPONSE: Very strange. Don't know who told you this, but the person
surely was not expressing the OCA's understanding. Hardly an "official"
statement. If what you had been told was the position of the OCA, then we
surely would not have parishes dedicated to St. John of Kronstadt.

ME: I could simply find some old articles penned by one of the Parisian luminaries like Mr. Fedotov (ante) or even Frs. Schmemann and Meyendorff and their reaction to the Synod's (ROCOR's) glorification of "Father John of Kronstadt" in 1964. But let's be genuine and not political. I am not lying and accusing me of doing so is contemptuous, especially when you know I'm not.

YOU WRITE: ...or that the Tsar' Martyr was "Bloody Nicholas" or that the
"schismatic Synod could never produce Saints."
RESPONSE: Again, rather ridiculous, since OCA clergy -- myself included --
joined Metropolitan Herman and other OCA bishops at the glorification of the
Royal Family in Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow in 2000. What
"schismatic Synod" is being referred to? Hardly the Holy Synod of the
Russian Orthodox Church, which celebrated the canonization and at which our
own hierarchs and clergy concelebrated!

ME: So since 2000 you haven't had any staff to add glorified Saints to your site, but you have, say, for St. Raphael of Brooklyn, who was glorified in roughly the same time period?! I find that also disingenuous. The "schismatic Synod" Fr. Kondratick used to regularly refer to: ROCOR. The same "Synod" referred to as such in YOUR Q & A SECTION. But the Mother Church HAS INDEED glorified these Saints and its American "autocephalous" hierarchs are witnesses to it...The ommission then of these Saints seems consciously irreverent and scndalous. One would think that on the eve of ROCOR reintegration into the Mother Church, some sort of considerations and simple recognitions be put forward. This is all so sad.

YOU WRITE: (I could mention the names of certain past faded lights of the
theodosian era: Frs. Oleksa, Jorgensen, Dirga, et al.)
RESPONSE: I find it rather hard to believe that some of these individuals
would have said this.

ME: I don't at all--it is completely fitting of their characters. People such as these drove me and my family out of the OCA. And it seems we weren't alone. If you look at the OCA publication, ORTHODOX AMERICA, a hardbound hook printed in c. 1976, we read that in the prospects for the future, the OCA is "well poised to witness to America and to future generations" where it says further "having over one million members (1000000)." Today's not so nice news stemming from the cabal of the theodosian era admits now four hundred thousand (400000) members. Are we then to believe that 60% of the membership has died and no new membership added?! All in the span of thirty years, 30 years ruled mainly by +theodosius. Such incompetence and corruption would result in prison time and bankruptcy anywhere else. No, it seems that I and my family ARE NOT ALONE and that there seems to be more weight to my "accounts" than your denials.

YOU WRITE: So I think the issue of "being charitable" is rather CYNICALLY
addressed. FYI, I am LOYAL TO THE MOSCOW PATRIARCHATE.
RESPONSE: Obviously, since the OCA hierarchs concelebrated at the
glorification of the Royal Family, the OCA has no problem with the Moscow
Patriarchate, does it?

ME: Then why is it you not include Saints glorified by the Mother Church which have a deep significance for Russia at home & abroad? I don't have the problem. But, say, for instance, when one reads the OCA liturgical calendar, NO MENTION IS STILL MADE. Surely a few extra key strokes don't take all that much more time to get to the printers?! The stench of dishonesty is stifling.

YOU WRITE: If you would like, I would be glad to assemble materials for you
that you would be able to edit at your leisure.
RESPONSE: We would be happy to receive materials, although when they could
be edited is hard to say. We are extremely short staffed and cannot say
when we could get to such a project.

ME: Oh, I see, and when, say +Metropolitan Anthony (Bloom) is glorified, will it still be so short staffed. I hardly think so. Yes, I'm saying your reply is disingenuous.

YOU WRITE: What of the work on the glorification of Blessed +Metropoltan
Leonty?
RESPONSE: Recently the OCA Holy Synod agreed that this is not going to be
pursued in the immediate future.

ME: A further travesty, reminiscent of the grave of St. Alexis of Wilkes Barre once being used as a trash dump. Do you even realize that you are corresponding with ONE OF YOUR OWN, WHO CAME up in the same churches, celebrating the same holidays and sharing the same picnics?! How is it you are so smug discounting the views and experiences of the other half (actually 60%+) chased out by the incompetence and corruption of the era of +theodosius and those who propped him up?! You do realize that the following of +Archbishop Kiprian of South Canaan was actually the majority, finally?! As I have offered, I will be glad to provide the materials, but I won't deal with a continuation of theodosian corruption and disinformation. Certain people are simply past their prime and failures: I hope they finally get the hint before it's too late...

In the LOVE of Christ,
Rostislav

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St. John of Kronstadt was gloried in 1984 by the Mother Church (MP). (ROCOR glorified him in 1964.)

HNM GD Elizabeth was glorified by the Mother Church (MP) in 1994. (ROCOR glorified her in 1981.)

The Holy Royal Martyrs were glorified by the Mother Church (MP) in 2000. (ROCOR glorified them in 1981.)

St. John of Shanghai & San Francisco was glorified by ROCOR in 1994. The OCA Diocese of the West established a monastic community dedicated to St. John c. 1997. It is believed that the Mother Church (MP) will recognize the glorification shortly.

(Just some things to consider.--R)

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Applause! I regret and apologize if I overlooked these. Still no St. John of San Francisco. But on the whole, it is clear just how decent and good the OCA is under +Metropolitan Herman.
R

Here's a few links.

St. John Of Kronstadt:
http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer. ... SID=101668

http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer. ... SID=103598

http://www.oca.org/FStropars.asp?SID=13&ID=103598

Holy Royal Martyrs:
http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer. ... SID=103789

http://www.oca.org/FStropars.asp?SID=13&ID=103789

Holy New Martyr Grand Duchess Elizabeth:
http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer. ... SID=101915

http://www.oca.org/FStropars.asp?SID=13&ID=101915

Holy Blessed Ksenia Of St. Petersburg:
http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer. ... SID=100297

http://www.oca.org/FStropars.asp?SID=13&ID=100297

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To OCA Website 03/21/8/2006

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To: tocmed@hotmail.com:

Just today, looking at your website, I was indeed able to find the lives of such Saints as St. John of Kronstadt, the Holy Royal Martyrs and Holy New Martyr Grand Duchess Elizabeth. I am sorry if I were hasty and uncharitable, and I do hope you will forgive me. In regard to St. John of San Francisco, I am again more than willing to supply you with materials. I was wrong to jump to conclusions. I am sorry.
In the LOVE of Christ,
Rostislav Mikhailovich Malleev-Pokrovsky

Love is a holy state of the soul, disposing it to value knowledge of God above all created things. We cannot attain lasting possession of such love while we are attached to anything worldly. —St. Maximos The Confessor

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