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I am filth and not worthy of Holy Orthodoxy...I can do nothing without our Lord & Saviour Christ Jesus. While I won't speculate on rdr. wright's future (I bet it includes something to do with star trek and 6 or 7 more jurisdictions), I will say that what he brings up on the indiana list has been trounced here. If that's all he has, then there is no gravitas to their toiling. Being familiar with St. Vladimir's curriculum and numbering some of its graduates amongst friends and acquaintances, I would say he is as much NOT representative of it as haler-puhalo is NOT representative of Jordanville. It takes alot for me to say this, but "mar melchisedek" of the "diocese of lincoln, nebraska" sounds more Orthodox than these poor people do. Kyrie Eleison!
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BTW, haven't you noticed that rocor site, indiana list, has become nothing more than an anti-monastic, "Orthodox" no-nothing peaut gallery which is as "thoughtful" & "authoritative" as coffee hour in a standard cafeteria Orthodox parish? Wonder when someone will explain to those people that Orthodoxy IS the Faith of the Fathers speaking in the Holy Spirit. But, hey, mr. smith for some, discredited liar that he is, brought up some "points." Funny, how there seems to be a DOUBLE STANDARD to his points in regard to mr. haler puhalo. Moreover, I found something interesting written by mr. haler-puhalo on "eldership" (it seems his jusitification for using the title in reference to himself but I think there may be a necessity of role reversal vis. his inane comments on "guru worship" vs. "eldership). Wonder if the intellectual giants on the indiana list and mr. smith missed this:

Get a load of mr. haler-puhalo's pic on this link (I submit to you he doesn't regard Elder Ephraim so much as a guru, but rather out of base envy, he WANTS to be him. He has no credibility.):
http://www.orthodoxcanada.org/sermons/

Now read this (further underscoring his lack of credibility and amateurish understandings of Orthodox institutions):

http://www.orthodoxcanada.org/archives/062003/pof.html

...ELDERSHIP

"Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord?" (Ps.24:3)

n truth, the path of salvation is up a very steep mountain, and it is fraught with treacherous enemies and dangers of every sort. How difficult this path is was made plain by Christ Himself. When He made known the difficulty of salvation, one of His disciples asked in astonishment, "Who, then, can be saved?" "With man," our Saviour replied, "this is impossible" (Mt.19:25-26); and so it is, in a very real sense of the word -- for man. But lest any despair, He continues, "But with God, all things are possible." For this reason, God has ordained that no man climb the mountain alone, having created the Church even before the creation of man.

Within the Church, moreover, God has called and placed guides -- holy fathers who have left God-inspired writings, spiritual fathers and elders, so that even within the Church no one climbs up alone -- indeed, no one can. A person who climbs a mountain alone, if he slips and falls, will have no one to sustain him, and so he will fall either to his death, or at least to critical injuries. If a group of climbers sets out on a strange mountain, they, being roped together, may be able to uplift one another; yet if they climb without an experienced guide, they may all become lost or, taking a wrong direction, come to a dangerous precipice and the whole party may fall. But if the climbers set out as God decrees, under the leadership of an experienced guide who knows well the path, then they, being bound together with a line, will be able to hold a fallen co-climber, and the guide will set him upright on the path again. All together, they will be drawn up the mountain by the guide, helping and uplifting one another, fearing above all to disobey the guide, lest they fall into some precipice or knock a co-climber off the path and, the line becoming severed, one or both perish, for "if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" (Mt.15:14). Let everyone see to it, therefore, that they are not led by the "blind," but by one who "sees."

This, in a simplistic way, is the nature of a monastery and of its elder. For the brotherhood of a monastery is bound together by the love of Christ God, and the love for God and neighbour. The greater the love, the stronger the bond and the more secure the life-line. By means of this love, if a brother falls, the other brothers sustain and uphold him, and the elder can rescue him and set him on the path again. For a person to perish under such circumstances, it is necessary for him wilfully to sever this bond, this climber's life-line, to cut himself off from the elder and from the brothers. In such a condition, he is certain to perish. As the brotherhood ascends in this way, the elder -- the guide -- draws the whole brotherhood upward and the brothers themselves, growing in love and obedience, draw one another upward, the stronger lifting the weaker, the faster climbers encouraging and speeding on the more sluggish by example and love.

Eldership is guiding climbers up the mountain of salvation, rescuing lost climbers, saving those injured by falls, and weeping over those who have perished -- all the while, struggling to bring himself safely to the peak. And no one can do this unless Christ calls him to it and gives him the Grace to fulfil it.

Eldership is probably the most difficult struggle of Christian life. For in a very direct way, it entails the responsibility before God for human souls. It is also probably the very first "struggle," for the apostles bore the eldership of the entire Church and Christ Himself is the Great Elder and the complete pattern for eldership -- first in Eden, on Sinai, and more clearly in the Incarnation.

Satan is the trainer of the athlete who wishes to contest for sensuality and perdition. God has given us the elder as the trainer of those who wish to contest for spirituality and salvation.

Eldership is a very great and deep subject and requires much care. We can best learn to understand it by reading the lives of the saints, and especially the paterikons. God bestows spiritual gifts for eldership only upon those persons who have struggled for a long time in exceptional obedience, or upon some rare individuals whom He fore-knows. Such a person has been given sufficient control over his or her own passions to hear undistractedly the most intimate thoughts of the spiritual children, and upon the greater elders, the Grace of discernment and even direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit has been bestowed.

The spiritual child, on the other hand, must be obedient to the elder, within the limits of spiritual life, and in all things which are lawful and not contrary to the faith or morals of the Church.(10) The names teach the relationship: one who is still a child must obey and learn from one who is spiritually mature. The parent shepherds and nourishes and teaches the child, and the child who accepts all these benefits and makes the most profitable use of them has the truer understanding of the Scripture, and will surely save his soul....
(Wonder why david smith wasn't told this or the guru hunters on the indiana list and elsewhere didn't underscore this aspect of their guru's "spiritual acumen." Further underscores people associated with mr. haler-puhalo lacking ALL credibility.)

BTW, I was there when Fr. Jonah wrote his piece on monasticism. Then and now he appreciated TRUE ELDERSHIP as his journal DIVNE ASCENT SHOWS, qv, ELDER EPHRAIM, Fr. Sophrony, Elder Raphael of Valaam, Elder Paisios, etc. He was writing in reference to kooks masquerading as elders, viz. monk podmoshensky and people like puhalo.

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Re: Archbishop Lazar: Orthodox Evolutionist

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costaswright wrote:

Диакон Никола wrote:

It should be noted that he, along with HOCNA not only disparage the
Toll-Houses and Blessed Augustine, but teach evolution. I am

Of course he teaches evolution. Why wouldn't he? One might as well ask why he doesn't teach that the Sun revolves around the Earth, as St. John of Damascus taught.

Theistic evolution is a perfectly acceptable belief for an Orthodox Christian to hold, involving no contradiction with the fundamental principles of our holy faith.

Rd. David-Constantine

Can't let this one pass. The Sun revolves around the Earth in a geodic coordinate system by definition. This is a useful system, for example:
a. one does not carry a globe in one's glove compartment.
b. in a four dimensional geocentric space-time (Minkowski space) the Earth accelerates upward towards a dropped clock whose time changes as the earth races up to meet it (time is a function of altitude in general relativity)
c. Spacecraft telemetry is translated back to Earth stations that are the center coordinates of a system (rise and set times).

St. John is correct. And the Earth (observer) is the center of the Universe, that is what Reimann was probably setting out to prove and Einstein used his tensors to form the field equation. SO THE CHURCH FATHERS WERE CORRECT! Reimann was a believer and beat Einstein by 50 years.

As to evolution - going to origin; it is logically incorrect because it is the logical equivalent of saying a tree grows because it is pruned. A tree grows from seed and grows in accordance with pruning if it is indeed pruned. The same with the Taxonomy tree of living species. People should have known this from day one owing to genetics - the genetic code or algorithm is needed to provide logical force for presenting species, and where did that genetic code come from goes to origin.

Theistic evolution is therefore formally and logically false, and all this was known 1600 years ago when the Epicurean philosophies of Lucretius were traduced by the Fathers.

Unfortunately, most science is junk science as is most history and philosophy.

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puhalo & fringe events...

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To: ad207@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: [OPIRG-EVENTS] Planning Meetings Sept 18 & 25 for: VIGIL for NONVIOLENCE (OCT 6)
From: Richard Sanders ad207@freenet.carleton.ca
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:48:43 -0400
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There will be two more COAT meetings to plan for the
VIGIL for NONVIOLENCE on Saturday, OCTOBER 6

The two planning meetings will be held:

Tuesday Sept 18, 7:30 PM.

Sept 25th, 7:30 PM.

Both will be at the
Friends Meeting House, 91 1/2 Fourth Ave.

If you can't join us at the meetings then please help by encouraging people
to attend this event.
Here is what we are planning. Hope you can join us.
Thanks

VIGIL for NONVIOLENCE to APPEAL for PEACE!

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  Saturday, OCTOBER 6, Ottawa

 Please join us in calling for 
 an end to the cycle of violence

We will gather on Parliament Hill, 1 p.m.
and have a Solemn Procession for Peace to

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     First United Church
(397 Kent St., at Florence St.)

Our program at the church (beginning at 2 pm)
will include brief presentations, music & prayer.
Followed by discussion groups and workshops.

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        Organized by the: 

Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade (COAT)

(This event REPLACES our prvious plans for a
"No to NATO: Festival of Creative Nonviolence."

See the explanatory letter below.)

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        Tentative PROGRAM
      VIGIL for NONVIOLENCE

(at First United Church) October 6, 2 pm:

The event will be chaired by two of COAT's mentors:
Marion Dewar, former Mayor of Ottawa
Jean-Claude Parrot, Exec. Vice Pres., Canadian Labour Congress

Brief MESSAGES from:
Michel Chossudovsky, author, The Globalization of Poverty
Philippe Duhamel, SalAMI
Archbishop Lazar Puhalo, Cdn. Orthodox Archdiocese, Ukrainian Orthodox Church
Carolyn Langdon, Voice of Women for Peace, Canada
David Morgan, Veterans Against Nuclear Arms, Canada
Moraima Rivera, Puerto Rican activist opposing NATO test bombing of Vieques
Island
Dr. Gamal Solaiman, Imam, Ottawa Mosque
Richard Sanders, Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade
Laurel Smith, Homes Not Bombs
Mel Watkins, Science for Peace - Canada
Susanne Wall, Fellowship of Reconciliation - USA
Theresa Wolfwood, Vancouver Island Public Interest Research Group

We will also hear from:
Helen Caldicott, of the film "If you Love this Planet"
Arun Gandhi, founder, M.K.Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence (and grandson of
Mahatma Gandhi)
(They will join us live on the phone from Australia and the U.S.,
respectively)

MUSIC led by:
Ian Tamblyn
Terry Tufts and Kathryn Briggs

Following the messages from speakers there will be simultaneous
DISCUSSION GROUPS/WORKSHOPS:

(1) Nonviolence in Action: Resisting Canada's role in space weapons research
(Matthew Behrens, Homes Not Bombs, Toronto)

(2) Solidarity with Vieques: Nonviolent resistance to NATO's bomb testing
(Moraima Rivera, Nonviolent action organizer, Puerto Rico)

(3) Getting to the Roots of NATO Militarism
(Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, Economics, University of Ottawa)

(4) Theatre in Resistance
(Laurel Smith, Burning Passions Theatre, Toronto)

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                      Richard Sanders
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          A national peace network supported by 
       individuals and organizations across Canada
    
      541 McLeod St., Ottawa Ontario K1R 5R2  Canada
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Was Adam Created Perfect?

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Was Adam created perfect?

A topic that brings confusion to the dogmas of many religions is the topic being examined here. Given that the misconstruing of this subject has created one of the basic axioms that “supports” the dogmatics of the so-called “Jehovah’s Witnesses”, we shall focus mainly on their positions as an example to be avoided, since the organization in question is a classical case of accumulated cacodoxies.

Perfect, or “very fine”?

Image and Likeness

The goal of the Christian course

In brief, the Watchtower organization maintains that:

“Adam and Eve were created perfect by God, because whatever God makes, is perfect. However, because of their sin, they lost that perfection, thus causing the onslaught of sickness, old age and death in the life of mankind. Consequently, God’s intention for man was for him to forever be in the perfect, sinless and immortal status of the protoplasmic creations, in a terrestrial paradise. If God had intended Adam for heaven, He would have created him there, and not on earth.”

The Watchtower organization of course promotes this view, in order to support its dogma that “God’s intention is for the majority of mankind to live ONLY on earth, while a select few will go to heaven, as a necessary exception to His plan.”

We intend to prove herebelow that Adam was not created perfect, and consequently everything that the Watchtower asserts in their axiom is crushed.

“Perfect”, or “very fine”?

Let’s first take a look at the direct assurance of the Holy Bible; Even as far as the time of Eve’s creation, God had not created a single earthly creation of his as a perfect one, as Moses tells us in Genesis 1 31: And God looked upon everything that He had created, and behold, they were VERY FINE.

Those who are familiar with the Greek language can easily discern that the expression “very fine” (καλά λίαν) is a far cry from the word “perfect” (τέλειον). A perfect creation is one that has nothing lacking in it. Therefore, both Adam and Eve and the rest of material creation that is described in Genesis, were DEFICIENT.

Does this mean that God didn’t know how to do things properly? Of course not!

The reason He didn’t create them perfect from the beginning, was that Creation was still lacking something, even after the creation of mankind. There was yet another element that had to be attained, which required the collaboration of man. This detail is apparent, in the following tract:

The image and the likeness

Genesis 1 26,27: “And the Lord said: Let’s make man, according to our image and according to our likeness…..And God created man according to His image. According to the image of God He created him.”

Here -according to the teaching of the Fathers- God appears to have the intention of creating man “according to the image and to the likeness” of Himself. When He eventually created man, He made man in His image. And this is where the formula of perfection is hidden: Man, having being created “according to God’s image” was “very fine”. But, when man becomes “according to God’s likeness”, he would then be on a course towards PERFECTION.

So, what is the significance of the expressions “according to the image of” and “according to the likeness of”?

“According to the image of”, signifies man’s ability –as a free and intelligent creature- to be similar to God.

But, “According to the likeness of”, signifies man’s course towards the attainment of this simulation, which can only be achieved through the collaboration of man and the Holy Spirit.

Given that God is what He is, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO and not because He is compelled to, man must likewise WANT TO, must attempt to, through use of his freedom as “the image of” and his intelligence, reach perfection; in other words, seek the course towards becoming “according to the likeness of God.” This is a characteristic that man alone has, in all of creation.

It was not possible for man to be created perfect straight away (=compulsorily). Satan had enticed man, that he would become “according to the likeness of God” through his independence and self-government, without the collaboration of the Holy Spirit. Because of this, man failed to attain the goal of perfection (=he sinned), thus, instead of becoming “according to the likeness of God”, man now “resembled the decadent beasts”. The goal of perfection is the goal of every Christian, as is evident in the following Gospel excerpts:

Matthew 5: 48: “Be therefore perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect”.

Hebrews 6: 1: “..putting aside the initial teaching of Christ, let us move on, towards perfection..”

Ephesians 4: 13: “Until such time as we shall all have reached the unity of the faith and the awareness of the Son of God, (thus becoming) a perfect man, to that measure of age of the fullness of Christ.”

We must clarify something here: When the Holy Bible speaks of perfection, it is nowhere referring to the perfection of the physical body, as perceived by “Witnesses”. The Bible speaks of a similarity to God, which has absolutely nothing to do with a corporal inference. The fact that the bodies of the perfected acquire incorruptibility and immortality is only the natural result of perfection, and not perfection itself.

So, how can we become similar to God, if we haven’t seen Him?

Once again, the answer lies in the phrase: “according to His image and according to His likeness”. It doesn’t say: “image and likeness”.

What does the word “according to” (Greek=κατά) imply? It implies “the image of the image” of God, and not God’s image directly.
Who then is the direct image of God? It is Jesus Christ of course:

Collosians 1: 15: “...who is the image of the invisible God…”

Adam, therefore, had been created “according to the image of God”, or, “as an image of Christ.

The fact that Jesus Christ had not yet been incarnated as a man, is not an issue. God, Who is beyond time, and as the Creator of Time, knows the future full well. All of this, is in compliance with Ephesians 4: 13 that we mentioned previously. We must therefore strive towards the example that was set by the Lord Jesus Christ, because this is what will lead us to becoming “according to the likeness” of God – in other words, our path towards perfection.

Could it be that perfection is not feasible, since we are referring to the infinitely perfect God?
This is partially true. To reach Him is definitely impossible. But we can draw nearer to Him, from now through to all eternity, becoming more and more according to His likeness, as we can see from the following verse:

Corinthians II, 3: 18: “but we all, with face uncovered, as reflections of the glory of God, are transformed into the same image, from glory to glory.”

Perfection therefore is a relative idea, and each one of us is on a course towards the likeness, either of God, or of his enemy the Devil. The free will of each one of us is the determining factor for the stage of progress one has attained. Perfection is not a destination point. It is a non-stop course!

A verse that indicates this relative meaning of the word “perfection” appears very early in the Holy Bible:
Genesis 6: 9: “Noah was a righteous man, perfect amongst those of his time. Noah had walked with God…”

Noah is regarded perfect, as compared to his contemporaries, because “he walked with God.” He was on the course towards perfection! He had exhausted all the means available to him at the time, on his road towards perfection.

The reality is, that the creation of mankind was perfected, much, much later. It was only upon the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, that man (at last) appeared in a state of perfection. Jesus Christ was the only man Who was actually perfect. In His person, mankind had found the fulfillment of God’s purpose for it: “let’s create man….according to our likeness.”

Jesus had opened the way towards perfection and towards all those who were on the path for becoming “according to the likeness”.

James 3: 9: “…..men, who have been made according to the likeness of God….”

The target of the Christian course

Further down, we shall present a few of the verses which indicate that Christians are on a course towards perfection, when following the only, absolutely perfect one, Jesus:

Colossians 1: 28: ...so that we might present every person perfect...
Colοssians 4: 12: ...so that you may stand perfect...
James 1: 4: ...so that you might be perfect and whole, lacking in nothing...
Matthew 5: 48: …Be therefore perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect….
Romans 8: 29: ...whom He knew beforehand, and destined (them) to comply with the image of His Son...
Hebrews 5: 14: …Solid food is for the perfect: those who have purposely exercised their senses, for distinguishing between good and evil.
The above verse also proves that man is not created perfect, but can become so, through his personal endeavors. Hebrews 6: 1: ...we move towards perfection...
Ephesians 4: 13: “Until such time as we shall all have reached the unity of the faith and the awareness of the Son of God, (thus becoming) a perfect man, to that measure of age of the fullness of Christ.”

The results of man’s perfection will also have an impact on all of creation, which will undergo a change in order that God’s plan and His creation be fulfilled – not only for the sake of man, but also for the sake of material creation, over which man was appointed its king.

Romans 8: 19-21: “for, the earnest expectation of creation eagerly anticipates the revelation of the sons of God…. for, even creation shall be freed from the bonds of deterioration, into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.”

Since creation is also going to be liberated along with mankind from the bonds of deterioration, it means that it, too, shall become incorruptible. However, the Watchtower here insists that the word “creation” implies a supposed earthly group of people. (Book: Worship, page 188). This assertion is wrong, not only because (according to Watchtower) incorruptibility is granted exclusively to those who go to heaven, but also because the verse that follows immediately after, makes it absolutely clear that the reference applies to all of creation, and not just a group of people: “for, ALL OF CREATION also groans and labors in agony….”

CONCLUSION:

Man was created according to the image of God, for the purpose of voluntarily striving for perfection, which is the culmination of man’s creation according to the likeness of God. This is achieved by Christians today, when they follow the example of our Lord Jesus Christ. Having received the Holy Spirit through Holy Baptism, they can become more and more perfect, because for all eternity, they shall be forever moving towards the infinite perfection of God.

Finally, even though the word ‘perfection’ does not pertain to the physical body, those who will be saved shall acquire a new, incorruptible body and they shall enjoy living in an incorruptible, new earth, while also living in the celestial presence of God. And THAT is when God’s creation for mankind as a whole shall be fulfilled. (Peter II, 3: 10-13).

Love is a holy state of the soul, disposing it to value knowledge of God above all created things. We cannot attain lasting possession of such love while we are attached to anything worldly. —St. Maximos The Confessor

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God's Breathing Upon Adam Was The Holy Spirit

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God’s “breathing upon” Adam was the Holy Spirit

Although we have already published an extensive article (under translation) on this subject, it was our wish to supplement that data, with additional patristic statements regarding the meaning behind the words “blowing upon”. We would like to convince even the greatest disbeliever who is confused by all the anti-Christian interpretations that have been propagated on this issue, even amongst Christians.

The Fathers’ opinions on the subject coincide very obviously, as the reader will discover herebelow.

A very broadly propagated misconception is that the ‘blowing upon” referred to in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 2:7), was supposedly the ‘giving’ of a soul to a pre-fabricated, earthen, inanimate statue of a man.

This cacodoxy has its roots in ancient Hellenistic ‘dualist’ anthropology, where the soul was considered as something pre-existent to the body, given that –by nature– the soul is timeless and immortal. This ‘life-giving’ to a body and soul within a time frame is idolatrous and absolutely anti-Christian, as is every other dimension generally pertaining to body and soul.

«Απόβλητος επίσης ο παρ’ αμφοτέρων λόγος… μήτε κατά την ελληνικήν απάτην… μηδ’ αυ πάλιν οιονεί πήλινον ανδριάντα προδιαπλασθέντα τω λόγω τον άνθρωπον, τούτου ένεκα την ψυχήν γίνεσθαι λέγειν… Ενός όντος του ανθρώπου… μίαν αυτού και κοινήν της συστάσεως την αρχήν υποτίθεσθαι, ως αν μη αυτός εαυτού προγενέστερός τε και νεώτερος γένοιτο».

Translation of Greek text: «Both aspects are unacceptable… we should not believe, according to the Hellenistic fallacy… nor that God created man by His word as an earthen statue, for the sake of which, the soul was afterwards created… because man is one, just as the beginning of his existence is one and simultaneous, so that it may not be said that man was created before his self was created.” (Saint Gregory of Nyssa, PG 44, 229-237)

The Fathers persistently stress that man was created whole, from the moment of conception, and that neither is his soul pre-existent to his body, nor is his body pre-existent to his soul. They furthermore stress that the creation of Adam is repeated in each of us, in the same way, and by the same Hand.

«Η χειρ δε η πλάσασα τότε τον Αδάμ, και αύτη και νυν και αεί τους μετ’ εκείνον πάλιν πλάττει και διασυνίστησι».

Translation of Greek text: «….as for the hand that had once shaped Adam, it is the same one that -now and forever- also shapes and constitutes those after him.” (Saint Athanasios, PG 25, 429).

«Ημείς δε την μέσην οδόν ως βασιλικήν κατά τους Πατέρας ημών οδεύοντες ούτε προϋπαρξιν ούτε μεθύπαρξιν ψυχής ή σώματος συνύπαρξιν δε μάλλον φαμεν»

Translation of Greek text: «For we, who travel the middle path as a royal path, just like our Fathers did, do not proclaim the pre-existence or the post-existence of the body or the soul; rather the co-existence of both.” (Saint Maximus, PG 91, 1325D).

What, in fact, was the “blowing upon”, that we read in the New Testament? “Jesus blew upon them, and said to them: ‘Receive Holy Spirit’” (John, 20:22).

«Ανακαινίζων τον άνθρωπον ο Κύριος, και ην απώλεσε χάριν εκ του εμφυσήματος του Θεού, ταύτην πάλιν αποδιδούς, εμφυσήσας εις το πρόσωπον των μαθητών, τι φησί; “Λάβετε Πνεύμα Άγιον”».

Translation of Greek text: «When renovating mankind -which had lost the grace it had received through God’s blowing upon it- the Lord restored it again, by blowing upon the persons/countenances (*) of the disciples, by saying what? ‘Receive ye Holy Spirit’ ” (St. Basil the Great, 140D).

Whatever the “blowing upon” was in the New Testament, it was exactly the same as the one in the Old Testament: It was the Grace and the Energy of the Holy Spirit. Just as the apostles weren’t earthen statues, but living and moving people, so was the person who was “blown upon” in the Old Testament. This Grace of the Holy Spirit was that which was lost through man’s disobedience, and was restored to the Apostles by our Lord. The Lord did not give the Apostles a soul; they already had souls, just as Adam did. He gave them something else, which made their souls “living souls”. Just as He did with Adam.

«Let the dead bury their dead » Christ had said. (Matthew 8:22). These “dead” were people with souls and movement, but who did not have the Holy Spirit, which «invigorates» (Corinthians II, 3:6).

«By the Holy Spirit, every soul becomes alive». This Grace of the Holy Spirit is given to a whole person, body and soul, and it hallows and vivifies him.

«Ενεφύσησε γαρ εις το πρόσωπον αυτού, τουτέστι μοίράν τινα της αυτού Χάριτος εναπέθετο τω ανθρώπω, ίνα τω ομοίως επιγινώσκη το όμοιον»

Translation of the Greek text: «He (=God) blew upon his (=Adam’s) person/countenance (*); meaning that a certain degree of His (God’s) Grace was deposited in man, so that the ‘likeness’ (=man) could acknowledge its ‘likeness’ (=God). (Vasileios the Great, PG 29, 449B).

Let’s not forget the words also that God spoke to Adam: “On the day that you eat of this (=the tree), you shall die”. But Adam lived on, for many more years after that! His “death” therefore was obviously a spiritual one. Adam became a “dead soul”, after losing the Holy Spirit that was given to him when God “blew upon” him the breath of life. Reversely, this “blowing” of the Holy Spirit was what had made him a living soul.

According to the Fathers, man is not only flesh, nor only soul. He is a psychosomatic whole. In this way, it is understandable how a dead body cannot be considered a human being, just as a soul without a body cannot be considered a human being.

Father Hierotheos Vlachos in his book “Life after death” (published 1994), page 54, writes: “Man is a psychosomatic being, which means that the soul doesn’t comprise the whole man, just as the body doesn’t comprise the whole man.”

Of course the holy Fathers are in full accord on the above, as apparent in a multitude of their writings, samples of which we present herebelow:

According to Saint Gregory Palamas: “..the verdict for spiritual death - to the actualization of which disobedience led us - according to the justice of the creator…” (Natural, Theological, Ethical and Practical Chapters, Migne , PG vol.150, p.1157-1160)

Tatianus writes: “The one who was created in the image of God and was separated from that more powerful (Holy) Spirit, becomes a mortal.” (Tatianus to Hellenes, 7)

Also according to Saint Irenaeus:

“Separation from God is death” (Saint Irenaeus, Remonstration E’ XXVII)

“Therefore, they –whomsoever they may be- who do not have whatever saves and leads into life, shall be called ‘flesh and blood’, because they are the ones who do not have the Spirit of God in them. Such people are referred to by the Lord as ‘dead’, as He had stated: “Let the dead bury their own dead”, because they do not have the Spirit which vivifies man.” (Saint Irenaeus, Remonstration E’ XI, 1)

“Man (and not just a part of him), was created in the likeness of God. Now, both the soul and the Spirit may certainly constitute part of man, but not the entire man, because the perfect man consists of a combination and a union of the soul that has accepted the Spirit of the Father, together with that fleshy nature which was formed in the image of God.” (Saint Irenaeus, Remonstration E’ VI, 1)

According to Saint Vasileios: “The more that he kept away from life, the more he approached towards death. God is Life. Deprivation of life is death. Thus Adam, by moving away from God, gave rise to death.” (Vasileios the Great: “Homily, that God was not the cause of evils.” 7, Migne P.G., 31, 345).

The above writings by the holy fathers are appropriately summarized by father John Romanides, as follows: “If those who don’t have Holy Spirit still live, they are nonetheless dead…. The soul’s death is its separation from the vivifying energy of the Holy Spirit.” (The Original Sin, page 119. Published 1957).

But let’s take a look at the passage of Genesis 2:7 more carefully:

“And God created man, earth from the earth, and He blew upon his person/countenance (*) the breath of life, and man became a living soul” .

According to this passage, who did God create? “MAN”. And into whom did He blow the breath of life? Into “him”, in other words, “MAN”. And who “became a living soul”? “MAN”. What we must note here is that the term “man” pre-existed, even before the “blowing upon” him by God. If “man” were biologically dead at the moment that God blew His breath upon him, then the Holy Bible would not have characterized him as “man”!

Saint Seraphim of Sarov said to his pupil Motovilov:

“We have become extremely careless in the task of our salvation. And this is the reason that many of the passages of the Holy Bible are not taken into consideration in the appropriate way. And this, because we do not ask for God’s Grace, nor do we allow His Grace –on account of our haughtiness- to penetrate our souls, and consequently, we don’t have the true enlightenment that God sends to all those souls that hunger and thirst for His justice.”

Here is an example of what is meant here:

Many people interpret the Bible passage that says: «And God created man, earth from the earth, and He blew upon his person/countenance (*) the breath of life, and man became a living soul» (Genesis 2:7) as meaning that until that moment, Adam had no soul and human spirit, but was only fleshy, having been shaped from the mud of the earth. This interpretation is incorrect. Because, although the Lord and God may have created Adam from the mud of the earth, He did present him as a composition of body and soul, hence the apostle Paul’s assurance that: “….the entirety of our spirit, our body and our soul be preserved immaculately, during the (second) presence of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Thessalonians I, 5:23)

All three components of our existence were created from the mud of the earth. However, Adam was NOT shaped into a dead creation by God; He was created a living being, similar to the other living creatures made by God that lived on the earth. But, he had something of fundamental significance: If, after having created Adam, God had not blown upon his person/countenance (*) “the breath of life”, in other words, the Grace of the Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the Father and rests in the Son, and is sent forth into the world by the Son, then Adam -albeit the most perfect amongst God’s creations, and the crown of all terrestrial creations- would have existed, devoid of the Holy Spirit Who raises mankind and equates him with God. Adam would have been exactly the same as all the other creations that have a body, a soul and a spirit. “according to their species”, but without the Holy Spirit inside them.

When the Lord blew upon the person/countenance (*) of Adam the breath of life, then, according to the words of Moses, “Adam became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7). In other words, Adam became similar to God, immortal like Him, forever and ever, eternal.

We have here a clear Patristic voice, which assures us that:

  1. –The usual explanation by contemporary Christians that Adam was created by God like a clay statue or a corpse and that the breath that God blew upon his countenance was supposedly Adam’s soul, originates from the reality that “we have slipped away from the simplicity of the original Christian knowledge”, because “the pride in our minds does not allow the Grace of God to reside within our souls, and that is why we don’t have true enlightenment by the Lord” and instead, we conjure up “myths”.

  2. –Before receiving the breath of God, Adam was a living being -like all the other animals on earth- complete with all his natural characteristics, possessing a spirit, a mind, a heart, just like all the animals, each and every one according to its species.

  3. –The breath of God does not contain any natural, biological or psychological inference; it is not one of the biological components of a human being. It is the uncreated Energy of the Holy Spirit, given to mankind by the Christ.

This breath of God –the uncreated Energy of the Holy Spirit- is the same as the one that is implanted by the Church like a seed in Christians, during their Holy Baptism, which, if man’s free will permits, will sprout holiness and bring forth the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

That which makes man entirely different to all other animals, is that he –unlike the animals- has the ability to receive the energy of the Holy Spirit. That which gives man this ability, however, is not his biological superiority, or the superiority of his mind. This ability that Man has to receive –if he so wishes- the energy of the Holy Spirit, is not given to him by anything natural; it is only because man was created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27); it is because he is a persona. (Genesis 2:7).

“He blew upon his countenance the breath of life”. A persona can never be a lifeless thing. Corpses or statues cannot be personae. Adam was a persona, because he was made in the image of the incarnate Persona of the Logos of God.

Holy Spirit, forceful breath of the Pentecost, blowing upon. The blowing upon Adam and the Apostles may be precedent chronically to the Pentecost, but it is through it, that the Holy Spirit is given.

The protoplasts were «attired in the glory from above….. the glory from above covered them, rather than any garment” (Saint John the Chrysostom, PG 53, 123 and 131). The “glory from above” is naturally not a created thing; therefore it cannot be a soul. It is the uncreated glory of the Holy Spirit, which elevates man, “to the likeness”. This uncreated glory - the “likeness” - can be lost by man, or never be acquired by him. But the “image” we can never lose, because we acquire it at birth. «The divine likeness cast aside, the image we did not lose» (Saint Gregory Palamas PG 150, 1148). We are human beings, because we are images of Christ. This is because Christ is God and human, bearing our flesh. This Flesh, which is seated at the right of the Father, upon the throne of Godhood, is the glory of mankind and its identity; it is the source of all good things, which are given to us without discrimination, but it is up to our free will, if we embrace them or reject them.

Adam did not turn back into a clay statue when (after his disobedience) he lost the Grace of God’s breath. He did however realize his nakedness (Genesis 3:7), and thenceforth began to cover it, with terrestrial substitutes of that Glory which had previously covered him, just like mankind does, to this day. Without the Holy Spirit, human beings are “soul-beings, lacking the Spirit” (Jude, 19). A spiritual and perfect person is the one who has inside him the Grace of the Holy Spirit (Saint Irenaeus, “Remonstrations”, 5, 6:1). This divine Energy permeates man who receives it through and through, even as far as his kidneys and his heart and his bone marrow. The Holy Spirit, through the Flesh of the God-man, inhabits our own flesh. The Logos of God bestowed on the flesh (that He had borrowed from us) the energy of His godhood, thus making all of mankind receptive to the ‘divine fire’.

We are not image of God because we received the blowing of His breath; We received the blowing of God’s breath BECAUSE we are images. We are –from the moment of our creation- the torches that will most assuredly light up, if we ever wish to bring them in contact with the Unsetting Light, and, once lit, will never be extinguished, provided we safeguard them from the violent gusts of the world: “Do not extinguish the Spirit.”

(*) In the Septuagint text of Genesis, God is mentioned as “blowing upon” the “πρόσωπον” of Adam. The Greek word «πρόσωπον» has a dual meaning: it can literally mean “countenance” or “face”, but it can also mean the “persona” or the “person” (for example the Personae of the Holy Trinity.)

In this article, an entire chapter from edition No.89 - Summer 2004 of the magazine “Epignosis” was inserted.

Translation by A.N.

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Abp Lazar: Liturgy as Communion not Division

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Archbishop Lazar wrote:

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The obnoxious and meaningless custom of opening and closing the royal doors and curtains during the Divine Liturgy is based on nothing else except the rank of the clergyman serving that day.

As David Goa has stated, "The Liturgy is the highest form of the human story, and its most concrete expression."(3) The purpose of the Divine Liturgy is to bring the faithful to Holy Communion, not to teach some clergy humility and others pride! Whatever the origins of the custom of some clergy opening and closing the doors and curtains at differing times, depending upon rank and privilege, it is distracting and forms just another way of closing the faithful out of full participation in the Liturgy. In spite of unclever sophisms, no one has ever proposed an explanation of this custom that has the slightest real meaning.

Amen.

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(This is definitely NOT Jordanville nor Fr. Pomazansky.--R)

Thank God.

Seriously, Christ rent the veil of the Temple in twain... and you want to put it back?

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Re: Abp Lazar: Liturgy as Communion not Division

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costaswright wrote:

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Amen.

R--Typical renovationist response.

"Kollyvas" wrote:

(This is definitely NOT Jordanville nor Fr. Pomazansky.--R)

Thank God.

R--Oh, is there something wrong with Traditional Russian/Byzantine liturgics and on what credential do you offer your opinion. I want to hear this.

Seriously, Christ rent the veil of the Temple in twain... and you want to put it back?

R--The rending of the curtain of the Temple meant, according to the Fathers, THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT had left the Holy Place in the Temple. From the early Catacombs the Christians used curtains in celebration of the Mysteries and they have been carried through to our day BECAUSE THE SPIRIT PASSED FROM THE TEMPLE IN PERFECTION TO THE CHURCH. We are the perfect temple. You must get over Fr. Schmemann's wayward statements to appreciate his fruit. You see, rdr. wright, Orthodoxy and Orthodox Tradition is ontological, ie it is a living continuity of transmission from the Apostles and what the Church in its Liturgical practice transmits to us is a life of holiness witnessed by the Saints. That is not to argue that liturgical changes are never necessary/never occur, but rather that they are stamped with SANCTITY and not irreligious, positivist speculation.

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Love is a holy state of the soul, disposing it to value knowledge of God above all created things. We cannot attain lasting possession of such love while we are attached to anything worldly. —St. Maximos The Confessor

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