that's tellin' ya

[umjaan]

comments on the following please:

http://www.catholiccitizens.org/press/c ... sp?c=16575

[umjaan]

Will none of the keen and erudite minds on this forum lift the gauntlet?
Is it because I is black?

[AndyHolland]

yawn....

Interesting article.

Clearly the Romans do not believe Jesus Christ is Lord, they believe the Pope is.

They have to realize that heaven has shown preference to the Orthodox in the Holy Fire, in the Holy Bloom and in many miracles. They get upset that we are emotional - we get upset because they pretend they are not. There is not enough oil to fill their lamps, let them go trade in the city. They do - its called philosophy and "science" which is vanity and vanity.

OTOH, going to meetings and in a loving way telling them about the true Church is not heresy - its evangelism. Whether it is effective or not is another issue. One does not have to subscribe to theories in order to attend meetings and tell people about the truth Church.

andy holland
fatherless kid potentially multiracial sinner

[Justin Kissel]

Is it because I is black?

Yes. We only like Purple people here. We can tell right away if you are purple by what name you choose, and yours is not an acceptable one. Oh, and because you are not purple we had to hack the site and disable the link you gave, so it no longer works. Hujjah!

[umjaan]

thank you very much for responding.

I found the article astonishing; as a rule no one is so urbane as an ecumenist, but here we have "Fr. Robert Taft, S.J., an expert on Eastern Orthodoxy, a veteran of Catholic-Eastern Orthodox dialogues, and currently at the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome", saying "to hell with moscow", when the current pope just like the last has said reunion with the Orthodox church is a prime objective of his papacy.

Perhaps bloggers have been reluctant to respond because the issues it raises are so big and the history behind the Uniate set up so painfull. Perhaps they are reluctant to set their plough to such a cruell and well worn furrow, rather as a Brit might tend to eschew the subject of Northern Ireland.

But as a convert to Orthodoxy it is all new to me, and I really want to get to the bottom of it. If Huntingon's paradigm of the clash of civilizations (reviewed on Amazon) is percipient, and what with straws in the wind like the cartoons furore, and the deniers' trials, it seems possible, then it is important. Because like yougaslavia, Ukraine could in a sense be a fulcrum of the tectonic plates of civilizations.

I mean to make you all yawn by exploring the matter and championing the Orthodox perspective with my own hap'orth on a later post.

PS Please indulge me with forgiveness for the pomposity of my style. my education was merely at a mission school in zimbabwe (St Ignatius college), and I lack the ease of expression of other bloggers.

[AndyHolland]

Dear umjaan,

Thanks for stirring the pot. It was an interesting article in a way - but a yawn in other respects.

I have allot of Roman friends, but the truth is papal infallibility (which is not officially official - Vatican I was interrupted) is the big lie. It is based on the Peter/rock passage.

The Pope is either not the Apostolic Successor of Peter (who was not infallible - he denied Christ thrice) or he is not infallible, he cannot be both! The fallibility of Peter, even after the Resurrection is clearly shown, in his debate with Paul for example. St. Peter was a very fallible Apostle - that is his beauty. Also, Pope means priest and the whole idea of the Bishop of Rome was he was supposed to be like a humble priest.

In order to be an Orthodox Bishop, the Pope must either declare himself very fallible by the Rock passage, or declare that he is not an Apostolic successor to Peter.

andy holland
sinner
Behold the grave and understand, Jesus is risen from the dead.

[umjaan]

Dear AndyHolland

could one then say that the short answer to Fr. Robert Taft is that the good shepherd minds his flock and leaves no leeway for rustlers?