ep & pope (co-religionists?!) To Meet In November

[Kollyvas]

http://directionstoorthodoxy.org/mod/ne ... le_id=7024

Confirmed: Pope to visit Patriarch in November

Feb. 09 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI will travel to Turkey at the end of November 2006, the Vatican has confirmed.

In a short announcement released on February 9, the Vatican press office said that Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer had issued a formal invitation, which the Pontiff had accepted. The dates for the trip are set for November 28 to 30.

As CWN reported on January 30, Turkish government authorities and informed Vatican officials had earlier confirmed that the visit would take place in November, but the dates had not yet been fixed.

The Pope's visit will coincide with the feast of St. Andrew, the patron of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, on November 30. Shortly after Pope Benedict's election, Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I had invited the Pope to join him for the celebration of that feast day. The Pontiff had accepted the invitation, but his wish to make the trip in 2005 was thwarted by the Turkish government's reluctance to issue a quick invitation. Later-- having signaled its annoyance with the Orthodox leader for issuing an invitation without prior consultation, and perhaps also its displeasure with remarks that the Pontiff had made criticizing Turkey's bid for entry into the European Union-- the Ankara regime suggested that Pope Benedict would be welcome to visit in 2006. The official announcement of the papal trip comes just as Church officials are still mourning the death of Father Andrea Santoro, an Italian missionary priest who was killed in Turkey on February 5, apparently by an Islamic fanatic. The slain priest had only recently written to Pope Benedict, asking the Holy Father to visit his little parish in the Black Sea port town of Trabzon, during his stay in Turkey.

[Cat.Timothy.]

Dear Kollyvas,

You seem to forget constantly that the EP is united with the MP. They are part of the same church. By your own admission you are in communion with heretics.

Theophan.

[Jean-Serge]

MayIndeed Kollyvas is making a constant desinformation presenting the EP as an ecumenist jurisdiction. However, he strangely forgets the case of ecumenism in MP... Maybe he wants us to believe the MP is defending the Orthodox faith. Do you think we are so stupid?

[Kollyvas]

The 2000 statement on ecumenism by the MP has been posted several times here--it is consistent with Fr. Florovsky's/V Lossky's even (Fr. G. Grabbe's early) emphasis on ecumenism AS SOLELY ORTHODOX WITNESS UNCOMPROMISING of the ONE TRUE CHURCH. (Although I still feel anathemas should be voiced against ecumenism in general and the MP should cease participation in the wcc and ecc in particular.) ecumenism in the ep is a continuation of the policies of athenagoras and prof. nissiotis which in effect embodies compromise and branch theory ecclesiologies. The one is stated Orthodox witness. The other is stated syncretism. What more needs be said?! The only thing that has prevented the ep from intercommunion with rome in the last decade has been the MP. Now, I have never called the ep "heretical," but I have used the words "wayward" and "ailing" and "unionist" and "neo-papalist" and "ecumenist" in regard to it. The fact that I do regard the ep's ecumenism as heretical does not in any way have any force for I am not divinely illumined nor am I an Ecumenical Council nor Bishop, not even an internet "pope." The future of Orthodoxy, for those who refuse to confront reality, will hinge on who prevails in the struggle between the MP and the ep, the MP being the champion of Orthodoxy...
R

[Jean-Serge]

MP is simply practicing its classical double speech : saying one thing and making the contrary... It should begin by abiding to the canons forbidding prayers with heretics... However he will bnever do so since he looks for money from WCC and such organizations...

It seems you have forgotten thios link : a MP bishop was present... It seems that you forget Bishop Hilarion of Vienna is preaching Branch Theory (since he recognize the Canonical catholic territory).

http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6056

[Kollyvas]

+hilarion isn't the Patriarch nor the 2000 All-Russian Council. +vartholomeos is the patriarch and he does represent the ep's stance on rome. Moreover, the pope isn't welcome in Russia.
R

[Jean-Serge]

Please show respect to your bishops. It is not Hilarion but Bihop Hilarion... Well he is not patriarch but his fellow bishops let him teach wrong things... Consequently, they are also reponsible. Moreover Hilarion may spoke as a representatives of MP...